The Billion Dollar Band Box

davecrazy · Apr 20, 2009

Pitchers not having a blast at new Yankee Stadium as homeruns fly

Monday, April 20th 2009, 2:34 AM

The Yankees' Nick Swisher gets a good look at Shin-Soo Choo's home run in the second inning as blasts continue to soar out of right field at the new Yankee Stadium.

There've been so many balls hit out of the Yankees' new playpen that nobody seemed to know quite what to make of the one that came back Sunday.

All we know is, the Yankees must be breathing a sigh of relief that the shortest of the 20 home runs hit in the first four games of the new Yankee Stadium gave them a split of the series with the Cleveland Indians and spared them the utter embarrassment of losing to Carl Pavano. For, until Jorge Posada hoisted that towering fly ball into the new right field jet stream with one out and one on in the seventh inning, the Yankees were looking at having a lot of explaining to do - for both their over-the-top $1.5 billion ballpark playing like a minor-league bandbox and their futility against their reviled and ridiculed former teammate who was a $39.95 million bust with them.

The home run-friendly ballpark is something that seems likely to be an issue for the foreseeable future, especially when you consider the Yankees spent $243.5 million on pitching last winter. One of those pitchers, A.J. Burnett, was tagged for two homers Sunday that accounted for all the Cleveland runs. Despite the homers and an accompanying lack of command (seven walks, three wild pitches and a hit batter), Burnett was able to keep the Yankees in the game - and thus in position to use the ballpark to their advantage. Still, when Posada, pinch-hitting for Jose Molina against righty Jensen Lewis, lofted his shot, no one seemed to know where it was going to wind up.

"I thought it was a routine pop fly," said Lewis. "In any other ballpark in the country it's an out, but here it gets into that jet stream and it's out. I don't think the numbers lie. You see all these balls flying out of here."

Indians right fielder Trevor Crowe, who pedaled back to the wall, leaped and thought he was going to catch the ball before it glanced off a reaching fan. By all accounts, the ball had cleared the wall and was therefore a home run unless Crowe could have caught it.

"But I have no doubt I would have caught it," Crowe insisted.

Umpires crew chief Jerry Crawford refused comment on the play even after it took 8-1/2 minutes of studying the instant replay and sorting it all out for the men in blue to render their decision. What was the problem with explaining their decision? Didn't everyone at least deserve that?

"They said the ball landed beyond the fence," Indians manager Eric Wedge related. "My argument was that the fan's hand and (Crowe's) glove met at the same time at the top of the fence, but they saw it differently. There was really no clear shot of it so you can analyze it just so much."

Even Posada said he wasn't sure it was going to be a home run when he hit it, although he may think differently from here on out about any ball hit hard into right field in the new Stadium. And after the carnage of these first four games, it's clearly going to be on the pitchers' minds, too. Pavano sure was conscious of it. Under the circumstances he was about the last person anyone would have expected to tame the beast and yet, in his six innings of one-run pitching, the Yankees maybe got three good swings against him. The 16.71 ERA he'd compiled for his first two starts with the Indians was, after all, fair indication that nothing much had changed for him from the 5.01 ERA he had in the 26 starts he made for the Yankees in and around all those injuries.

"I watched what happened here the first three days," Pavano said, "and my focus was not to let the lefties in their lineup get to any pitches inside. I tried to get them to hit to the big part of the field. It was an important game for me and I was happy with the way I was able to execute."

And like the Posada home run, Wedge insisted that he's seen a lot of positive things with Pavano beyond the early results and was entirely comfortable with pitching him against the Yankees in this hostile environment and allowing him to finish the sixth inning after hitting Johnny Damon with a pitch and walking Mark Teixeira with two out. Pavano rewarded his confidence by striking out Nick Swisher for the third time.

"Given the environment, he was fantastic," Wedge said. "He made all his pitches when he had to. I told him he'd shown me enough to get that last guy."

Indeed, grateful as they might have been for getting the call on Posada's shot yesterday, it must be a little unsettling for the Yankees to know that after four games in their new ballpark in which home runs were flying out of the place in record numbers, the one pitcher who seemed least affected by it was Pavano.
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http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/b...t_at_new_yankee_stadium.html?print=1&page=all

17a_tailgater · Apr 20, 2009

How Could They Move The Femces Back? The Seats Are Right Up To The Wall.

And If You Raise The Fences Those Seats Would Have To Be Raised Too.

davecrazy · Apr 20, 2009

17a_tailgater said: ↑

How Could They Move The Femces Back? The Seats Are Right Up To The Wall.

And If You Raise The Fences Those Seats Would Have To Be Raised Too.
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You move the fence back the same way they did it at CBP. With a jackhammer and a wrecking ball. Of course that took out 200 seats from the park as well. I'm sure if the Yankees do that they'll be able to relocate those ticket holders.....maybe to the acres of empty seats behind the dugouts.

Raising the fences is easier, just use some Plexiglas like they did at the Metrodome.

Just have to tell the people sitting in the 100 dollar outfield seats that they're sitting in the "Garden Zone" inspired by the views at Madison Square Garden during Ranger games.

Cuts down on fan interference too.

davecrazy · Apr 20, 2009

For Mets and Yankees, New Parks Are Home to Plenty of Quirks, Too
By GEORGE VECSEY

There is no point in the rest of us trying to understand the aerodynamics of the two new ballparks in New York, since Joe Girardi cannot figure out Yankee Stadium, and, after all, he was an engineering major at Northwestern.

“Industrial engineering,” Girardi, the Yankees’ manager, reminded everybody before Sunday’s 7-3 victory against Cleveland that further explored the nooks, crannies and perimeters of the team’s new playpen.

Baseball fans, most of whom cannot afford to attend, are just getting to know these two expensive places they all helped subsidize. One thing seems clear: The-place-named-for-a-bank in Queens does not produce nearly as many home runs, with only five by the Mets and five by the visitors in the first six home games, including Sunday’s 4-2 loss to the Milwaukee Brewers.

In the Bronx, the ball does fly, with 20 home runs in the first four home games, a record for a new park. On Sunday, the Yankees caught two examples of what old Brooklyn Dodgers fans used to refer to as Yankee luck.

Reeling from a ghastly 22-4 trouncing on Saturday, which included the worst single inning in franchise history — allowing 14 runs — the Yankees staged a comeback.

In the seventh inning, Jorge Posada pinch-hit and lofted a ball into the jet stream toward right-center field. Baseballs have been flying out that way since the first official home game on Thursday. Asked why the balls soar that way, Girardi, the Northwestern industrial engineering major, replied, “Over my head.” A few hours later, it was over Trevor Crowe’s head, too.

Posada’s shot took a couple of ricochets off fans, the wall and Crowe’s glove, and landed back on the grass. The umpires wisely repaired to the replay monitor under the stands, taking advantage of the recent baseball wisdom that boundary calls can be reviewed.

In this marvelous new technological world, Girardi bounced out of the dugout and reviewed the play in slo-mo. He and the umpires separately concluded that the ball was above the home run level when it made contact with the fans.

The replay indicated it was clearly a home run. The main lesson was, work on your stroke, get the ball up there and see what happens. Of course, the same aerodynamics apply in the top half of the inning. The visitors have hit 11 of the first 20 homers at Jet Stream Stadium.

In the eighth inning, with the bases loaded, Cody Ransom, who is minding third base until Alex Rodriguez comes back from hip surgery, had his bat sawed off. The ball floated down the left-field foul line, a reminder of Yogi Berra’s observation that “it gets late early” around 4 p.m. at the old Stadium.

Shin-Soo Choo, Cleveland’s left fielder, could not track down the ball, which dropped in fair territory for a broken-bat, sun-aided, wind-blown double.

“I’m not throwing it back,” said Ransom, who has learned that in the new place in the Bronx, the elements giveth and the elements taketh away.

During the massacre Saturday, Ransom lofted a pop-up that seemed destined to plop into the stands behind third — “twenty rows deep,” said Xavier Nady, an injured Yankee who was observing. Instead, the wind brought Ransom’s ball back into play, and it was caught by third baseman Mark DeRosa in foul territory.

In that way, the new Stadium may be the spiritual replacement for Candlestick Park in San Francisco, where balls theoretically hit toward left field plopped down in right field.

Another first impression of the new Yankee Stadium is that it has plenty in common with Arthur Ashe Stadium at the United States Open tennis tournament in Queens, where two tiers of luxury boxes constitute a no-person’s land of empty seats and yawning silence, except when Agassi plays Sampras, which isn’t likely to happen again.

Yankees management claimed an attendance of 43,068 on Sunday, but you could not prove that by the gaping sections of expensive seats from dugout to dugout. Either the Yankees have not actually sold those seats, or the bankers and brokers with the corporate seats are taking weekend jobs to make ends meet in this rotten economy they helped create. Either way, it is quiet at the new Stadium.

“You guys call yourselves Yankee fans? Make some noise!” one loud bloke was shouting in the stands just before Posada elevated his home run.

“A lot of times you can give them more to cheer for,” Girardi said.

Both New York teams are works in progress, just like their ballparks. The Yankees have to decide what to do about Chien-Ming Wang, the right-hander who has been shelled in three demoralizing losses. The Mets may want to figure out how to use their ballpark without testing the distant fences.

Mets fans have to decide how they feel about the wretched sightlines thousands of them have purchased. Yankees fans seem to be opting for the $5 seats alongside the restaurant, named for a gambling den, that juts out in the middle of the center-field bleachers, killing the peripheral vision for hundreds of fans. Girardi keeps counseling us that the atmospheric conditions will not be the same in June as they are in April. One thing about baseball: It is always a long season, and thank goodness for that.
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http://www.nytimes.com/2009/04/20/sports/baseball/20vecsey.html?_r=1&ref=sports&pagewanted=print

Dierking · Apr 20, 2009

When does the Met's season start?

davecrazy · Apr 20, 2009

http://www.accuweather.com/news-weather-features.asp?#extremes

Yankee Stadium Seating Could Be Cause of Home Run Derby
Posted 2009-04-20

The opening series of the New York Yankees' $1.5 billion park yielded 20 home runs, the most ever in an opening series in a new stadium.

Fourteen of the 20 home runs went over the right field wall, including a controversial game-changing home run hit by Yankee Jorge Posada on Sunday. The abundance of homers is raising concerns that the new stadium's design may favor fly balls, which should be alarming to the baseball team that invested $243.5 million on pitching last winter, according to the Daily News.

The wind on Saturday during the Yankees' 22-4 loss against the Cleveland Indians was mostly from the west at 15-20 mph. Given the layout of the stadium, the wind could have had an effect on fly balls in right field. Six home runs were hit by the Indians in the second inning alone.

Although the field dimensions of the new stadium are exactly that of the old stadium, the shell of the new stadium is shaped differently. AccuWeather.com meteorologists also estimate that the angle of the seating in the new stadium could have an effect on wind speed across the field.

The old Yankee stadium had more stacked tiers and a large upper deck, acting like a solid wall in effect, which would cause the wind to swirl more and be less concentrated. The new Yankee stadium's tiers are less stacked, making a less sharp slope from the top of the stadium to the field. This shape could enable winds to blow across the field with less restriction. In addition, the slope of the seating would also lead to a "downslope" effect in the field which, depending on wind direction, would tend to cause air to lift up in the right field. Fly balls going into right field during a gusty west wind would be given more of a lift thus carrying the ball farther out into right field.

If the stadium seating tier shape is indeed the issue, games will only be affected during times with the winds are from a westerly direction and above 10 mph. This typically occurs during the spring and the middle to late fall. The calmer weather during the summer should lead to a smaller number of home runs. In the meantime, the home run derby may continue.

By AccuWeather.com's Gina Cherundolo
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Gina Cherundolo on a weather web site could figure this out but the Yankees couldn't?

Dierking · Apr 20, 2009

architecture smack is weak

wildthing202 · Apr 20, 2009

davecrazy said: ↑

http://www.accuweather.com/news-weather-features.asp?#extremes

Gina Cherundolo on a weather web site could figure this out but the Yankees couldn't?
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$1.5 Billion for a wind tunnel to right, nice. Because the dimensions are all the same.

http://newyork.yankees.mlb.com/nyy/ballpark/new_stadium_comparison.jsp

Cellar-door · Apr 20, 2009

wildthing2022000 said: ↑

$1.5 Billion for a wind tunnel to right, nice. Because the dimensions are all the same.

http://newyork.yankees.mlb.com/nyy/ballpark/new_stadium_comparison.jsp
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congratulations on not reading the thread before making the same moronic comment as dozens of others, the dimensions are not the same, they are the same in 5 specific places, but shorter in almost all of right field

wildthing202 · Apr 20, 2009

Cellar-door said: ↑

congratulations on not reading the thread before making the same moronic comment as dozens of others, the dimensions are not the same, they are the same in 5 specific places, but shorter in almost all of right field
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Proof or you making it up?

Cellar-door · Apr 20, 2009

wildthing2022000 said: ↑

Proof or you making it up?
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Look at post #18 of this thread, I posted diagrams from two different sources which both show the flattening of the right field wall. though you could see it even if you just look at it, there is no curve to the wall at all, so basic geometry if you draw a straight line between 2 fixed points and an arcing one there will be a change in distance to almost every point on the respective lines

Also the yankees were open about the fact that the walls are shorter

Edit- check this out http://www.hittrackeronline.com/parks/newyankeestadium_rings_2009_scatter.jpg it's the hit-tracker chart of HRs hit in NYS so far, looking at that then looking at the NYS vs OYS charts i put up before I;d say at least 4 or 5 of those are either caught or off the wall last year

FirstTimeCaller · Apr 20, 2009

pwned......

Tyler Durden · Apr 21, 2009

Kinda to early to tell, 20 home runs in a series has been done before in the Bronx, 3 or 4 times this decade.

Tyler Durden · Apr 21, 2009

How about moving the plate back? It's not like anyone is sitting back there.

:smile:

davecrazy · Apr 21, 2009

Over the Wall and Under the Microscope in the Bronx

By TYLER KEPNER

Before they built the new Yankee Stadium, the Yankees commissioned engineering studies to gauge the possible effect of wind on batted balls. The tests showed nothing alarming, though more research is planned now that 20 home runs have been hit in the first four games.

It is too early to tell if this is a trend or an anomaly, but there could be a simple explanation for the home runs jetting out to right-center field: the wall may be closer to home plate than it used to be.

At the old Yankee Stadium, at least after the remodeling in the 1970s, the wall curved from the right-field corner to straightaway center. Now, because of a scoreboard embedded in the wall in right-center, it is almost entirely straight.

Greg Rybarczyk, who runs the Web site hittrackeronline.com, said 6 of the 14 homers hit to right field would not have been out at the old Stadium.

“The biggest difference is exactly at the center of Section 103 (the one closest to the right-field bullpen), where the new park is nine feet shorter (359 feet in the new, 368 feet in the old),” Rybarczyk said in an e-mail message.

“On average, along the straight section of the right-field fence, the new park is five and a half feet closer than the old park. Once you go past the end of the straight segment of the wall towards center field, that’s where the new park becomes deeper.”

Rybarczyk, whose findings were first reported by the Web site WasWatching.com, studied satellite photographs of the 2008 version of the Yankee Stadium field and overlaid them on photographs of the new Yankee Stadium.

He discovered that left field is almost the same (despite another scoreboard there) and center field is a bit deeper than before, but right field is significantly different. To Rybarczyk, the short porch is actually shorter.

The Yankees’ president, Randy Levine, declined to be interviewed about the ballpark’s design. But the club has maintained that the field is oriented in the same direction, and that the dimensions and height of the fence are exactly the same. That may be true in the areas listed on the fence — in the corners, in front of the bullpens and in center field — but there are no dimensions listed near the scoreboards.

While 20 homers are the most ever hit in the first four games at a new ballpark, it is not unprecedented, even in the Bronx. According to the Elias Sports Bureau, there were four stretches of four games at the old Yankee Stadium in which teams combined for at least 20 homers.

It happened in 2000, 2003, 2004 and 2007, when 26 homers soared over the walls. Home runs have also been up around the majors this season, and according to Rybarczyk, who pinpoints the distance of each one, they have been traveling farther.

Even so, few of the homers last weekend were hit very far. The Yankees hit pivotal homers to right off Jensen Lewis on Friday and Sunday, neither traveling more than 350 feet. In an e-mail message, Lewis guessed that both balls would have reached the warning track or been shorter outs in any other park.

“There is definitely something to be said about how the ball travels at the new stadium,” Lewis said. “Routine fly balls become home runs and it’s going to be a strain on both home and away pitching staffs. It’ll be very interesting to see what happens once it warms up in the summer there — might as well install an air raid siren with how many bombs will be hit.”

At Citi Field, the Mets have experienced the opposite phenomenon. In six games, there have been only 10 home runs, and the ballpark plays particularly deep from left-center to right-center. Balls that probably would have left Shea Stadium, like the one Milwaukee’s J. J. Hardy ripped to deep left-center Saturday that was caught by Carlos Beltran, have been outs.

“I think we’ve seen the ball go out in left-center field, and when it’s hit well, it goes out,” said Jeff Wilpon, the Mets’ chief operating officer. “When it’s not hit as well, it goes short. A lot of people have said balls hit to left-center or right-center would have been out at Shea, but I don’t agree with it. I haven’t looked at any charts, but I think we were helped the other day when Beltran easily got over to catch Hardy’s ball.”

Wilpon added, “It’s a small sample size, but that sample shows the ballpark is playing in a way that’s fair.”

Shea Stadium was always considered a pitchers’ park, and Yankee Stadium was largely a hitters’ park, especially to right field. According to the Bill James Handbook, there were 544 homers hit at Yankee Stadium from 2006 to 2008, the 10th most in baseball during that time.

Great American Ball Park in Cincinnati had the most, at 686, followed by U.S. Cellular Field in Chicago and Citizens Bank Park in Philadelphia.

Teixeira pointed out that the Phillies won the World Series last season, and that the White Sox were champions in 2005. Playing at a home-run-happy park is not necessarily a bad thing for the home team, especially one stacked with power hitters like the Yankees.

“Obviously, we’ll have a little better understanding of our park, because we play here more than the other teams, and that should help us,” Manager Joe Girardi said. “We have a lot of guys who hit the ball out of the ballpark. But who knows what will happen?”

“It’s not something that I want to see a lot, unless it’s all ours,” Girardi added. “But it was an interesting four days.”

Ben Shpigel contributed reporting.
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http://www.nytimes.com/2009/04/21/sports/baseball/21homeruns.html?_r=1&ref=sports&pagewanted=print

davecrazy · Jun 10, 2009

REPORT: NEW SIZE OF YANKEE STADIUM CAUSING HOME RUNS

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June 9, 2009 --

It's a small field, after all.

After claims that the dimensions of the new Yankee Stadium were identical to the old, AccuWeather.com reported today that slight differences in the new park are mainly responsible for the record number of home runs.

The weather Web site says, "Taking into account the dimensions of the field and wall height, AccuWeather.com has calculated that 19 percent (20 out of 105) home runs would not have flown out of the old stadium."

The report by meteorologist Tim Buckley says losing a "gentle curve" in the fence as it extends from right field to center field, caused by a new scoreboard, has the ballpark playing up to 9 feet shorter in spots. Combined with 2-foot-shorter wall heigths, it has caused the home-run surge.

The stadium is on pace to see 293 home runs, threatening the major-league record of 303 hit at Denver's Coors Field in its opening season of 1999.

It has generated criticism throughout the game, with ESPN's Peter Gammons last month saying the new stadium is "the biggest joke in baseball."

The dimensions posted on the fences of the new Stadium are identical to the old one: 314 feet down the right-field line; 385 to right-center; 408 to center field; 399 to left-center; and 314 down the left-field line.

Yankee Stadium established new records for home runs hit during an opening series, and saw 75 homers in its first 20 games (3.75 per game). The pace has slowed very slightly, with 30 in the past nine games (3.33 per game).

AccuWeather says, "no consistent pattern [has been] observed in the wind speed and direction that would lead to an increase in home runs so far this year."

The Associated Press says 63 of the 105 have been hit to right field. There have been 10 games with at least five home runs, including Monday night.

The Yankees have hit 57 home runs, their opponents 48, going 18-11 in the first 29 games there.
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dubagedi · Jun 10, 2009

The wind pattern will probably change again once they take down the old stadium right next to it.

Plus, who cares? It's a hitters park. OMG!!!!

AlioTheFool · Jun 10, 2009

Out of curiosity, how many doubles have Mets pitchers given up that would have been homers in many other parks?

dwalsh · Jun 10, 2009

dave, worry about own team.

now on the topic of the stadium and HRs...

http://riveraveblues.com/2009/06/fence-not-wind-turning-stadium-into-homer-haven-13006/

Fences, not wind, create Stadium homer haven

On the eve of Opening Day at Yankee Stadium, I wrote a piece about the shape of the field at the new park. While team officials had long claimed the new field would have the same dimensions of the old, an overlay of the two fields proved otherwise. With flat fences dominating the left- and right-field power alleys in the stadium, I predicted a hitters? park. Little did I realize what George had wrought.

The story of the offense is well worn by now. Home runs at the new park are on pace to challenge home run records. Fly balls into right field are sailing over the wall. It?s the wind currents. Yadda yadda yadda.

While we can?t really dispute the home run explosion anymore, the meteorologist at AccuWeather.com are sticking up for the wind. The weather is not to blame, says Tim Buckley. Rather, the fences are.

Buckley?s piece leads with the graphic below, and it?s hard to dispute his findings. In fact, I had been researching a similar piece to find out if the fences were impacting the game, and Buckley and his researchers basically did it for me. They examined ?detailed schematics? of the two stadiums and concluded that the new park?s differences have ?significant implications.? He writes:

In right field, the newfound homer haven, the wall structure is slightly different than the old park. The main difference involves curvature. The gentle curve from right field to center field seen in the original Yankee Stadium has largely been eliminated at the new stadium. This is due in large part to the presence of a manual scoreboard embedded within the wall. Losing this curvature has resulted in a right field that is shorter by 4 to 5 feet on average, but up to 9 feet in spots.

Not only is the famed short porch even shorter in the new stadium, but the walls themselves are not as tall. In the old ballpark, the walls in right field stood at a height of approximately 10 feet. At this height, it was difficult for outfielders to scale the wall and attempt to rob a home run over the fence. Fast forward to 2009, and the outfielders have been scaling the wall without any trouble. The result? The new outfield fences only rise to a height of 8 feet, adding to the ease hitting a home run to right.

Taking into account the dimensions of the field and wall height, AccuWeather.com has calculated that 19 percent (20 out of 105) home runs would not have flown out of the old stadium. If the first 29 games are any indication, 293 home runs will be hit by the end of the year at the new Yankee Stadium, just short of the record of 303 home runs hit at Denver?s Coors Field in 1999. If this is the case, as many as 56 home runs could be attributed to the size of the new playing field

As to the weather, Buckley sums it up: ?There has been no consistent pattern observed in the wind speed and direction that would lead to an increase in home runs so far this year.?

Over the next few days, we?ll have more on the design choices that went into the new stadium and Major League Baseball?s reaction to it. For now, we seem to know the culprit, and it is as we predicted it would be in April. The fences carry some of the blame.

In the end, though, the question remains: Does it matter? Both the Yankees and their opponents are hitting in the same park, and if the Yanks? pitchers are better, the Yanks? bats stand to benefit. The fans love the homer barrage, and it makes the games never out of reach. I think we?ll all have to learn to live with a homer-happy stadium, and we?ll have to like it. After all, chicks and Mark Teixeira dig the long ball.
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