With KC in the last year of his contract and no chance of trading him or him wanting to resign knowning he will only be #2, it would be a waiste to start him. Throw Sanchez in and let him learn and earn his lumps. We don't need a veteran QB either.
i love both qb's and I find it hard to believe even as good as I think Sanchez can be, that he just comes in, masters the playbook, and Clemens just lays down for him. I think Clemens gets the nod and were in a Brees/Rivers situation like SD was a few years back. obviously we do the same and go with the QB you trade for in the draft. but point in case I think Clemens surprises some people.
If that scenario does play out - the FO needs to take a page from the chargers or even the Fins with Henne, stating who is the QB for 2010. it shows balls on the FOs part.
If I were Clemens, I'd probably feel like a piece of sh-t. First with Chad and Brett and now this -- management trading up for Sanchez -- especially after the last few months of "We really love our QB situation. We have faith in the guys we have here" B.S., the guy must be questioning himself. He's human, it's got to hurt. Now how he handles it, whether it totally breaks him -- or has already -- or whether he uses it as extra motivation to prove all the doubters wrong remains to be seen. It's a real shame how the absence of an offensive line and a poor supporting cast can shatter a QB's confidence. In Kellen's first crack at starting, if Justin McSh-t doesn't drop 2 TD balls, we beat Baltimore and maybe start a winning streak....David Carr and Joey Harrington never had a chance in their respective situations either. Also I wonder if Kellen has approached Rex or Tannenbaum and asked whether he was dangled to Cleveland in the Sanchez deal?? This has already been brought up, but imagine if Rex / Tanny offered him first to Mangini, but Mangini said, "No, no I don't want Kellen, get me Ratty." That would be an even bigger insult, I should think. Mangini drafted Kellen and has watched his development closely he's been in the league. Mangini might as well have sent Clemens a greeting card with the message, "Just give up, you friggin waste."
Feel bad for the guy? What the hell for? Two sets of coaching staffs now have turned their nose up at this kid. He's getting paid a pretty damn good amount of money for never really amounting to anything. If he had the talent to be a great starter in the NFL, we wouldn't have traded up at all, we would have sat back and probably drafted Maclin. Coaches and scouts are paid a ton of money to decipher which players will succeed, and which will not. I know Rex Ryan said since he became a Jet that the competition was between Kellen and Ratliff, but there is no doubt in my mind that he knew Kellen wasn't "the answer" to our quarterback situation. I'm not trying to bring this guy down, from what I hear KC is a really nice, intelligent guy, but I'll be damned if it isn't Sanchez walking out on that field come September to start games for us. I don't think KC will ever be more than a solid backup in this league.
I Think clemens is a tough guy and will handle it easily. He has a good chance at winning the starting job.
This is the best thing that could happen, but we need to extend his contract now in case it does. Then we can trade him and get some value back. If he does really well we could also franchise him and trade.
Yep. Just because the Jets have so much invested in Sanchez doesn't mean they have nothing invested in Clemens. He's in a contract year, a second round pick, with very little in the way of a track record for his years so far. The Jets need to consider not necessarily how to maximize KC's value but at least not disregard it, either. How that fits into their assessment of how to bring Sanchez along will determine what happens. I also agree at least theoretically that there is a possibility of a third scenario, that being one where Clemens is traded before the season and/or a vet is brought in as backup or to help bring Sanchez along. I see that as quite problematic at this point since Clemens's trade value is so uncertain. And of course the greater the perceived talent of anyone replacing him, the more it would cost to get that person. Meanwhile the Jets have Clemens, who knows the playbook, knows the players, the coaches. He also knows his situation. There is a way to address several considerations at once. That is to keep him, sign him to a one year extension, and allow him to do his best in TC and pre-season. If he looks like the better starter going into OD, why not start him? The fans can be patient, particularly if the team feels Clemens is playing better. If Clemens then shows he can guide the team effectively, his trade value goes up. I don't understand why some here seem to be so ready to say basically get rid of the guy.
I have a feelng this might be the Phillip Rivers/Drew Brees situation from a few years back. When Rivers was drafted Brees created a stir around the league. He went to the Pro Bowl that year and was franchised the next...only time will tell.
If it affects Clemens badly, then we decided badly on Clemens. Day one report is not good for Kellen.
Drew Brees had been the Chargers starting QB for a year and a half when they got Philip Rivers. They weren't happy with his performance and they had the #1 pick so they wound up taking Manning and trading him for Rivers and a boatload of value. Then Brees went out and had an excellent season, the kind of season that would have lead the Chargers not to draft Rivers if it had happened a year earlier (well, they wouldn't have had the opportunity either if he had had that kind of year.) In the end they got a 2nd round pick from the Saints for Brees and everything ended well, but it was touch and go for awhile and if Rivers hadn't hit the ground running in year two it would have been a disaster for them. Kellen Clemens is not currently the Jet's starting QB and has not been since the end of 2007. He wasn't particularly good in 2007 either, and I'm cutting him a break for getting caught in the switches by Mangini's lousy coaching that year and poor offseason beforehand. It's not the same thing. There is so much more downside to having Clemens win the job next year than there was for the Chargers, starting with the fact that the Jets do not own Kellen Clemens rights in 2010 at this point. In order for the Jets to even consider letting Clemens win the job next year they need to sign him to an extension beforehand as WSW suggests, a tough proposition given that Clemens knows who the Jets big investment is in at this point. It'll cost more money than you'd like to spend to lock Clemens up with Sanchez looking like the new sheriff in town. Now throw in the chance of splitting the locker room, a huge factor when 2 QB's are vying for control of the team - particularly with one of them already leading the rookies as Sanchez is doing, and with a rookie head coach from a defensive background trying to get his feet on the ground and you have another factor that argues against taking the risk. I think the Jets should trade Clemens for what they can get before camp and bring in a veteran journeyman to back Sanchez up. How often does a team allow a non-starter on the roster to legitimately compete with a high draft pick at QB? If Clemens was the starter it would be different, but he isn't.
i agree with the veteran aspect. they will need that insurance in case the worst happens when Kellen's contract expires. I have no doubt that Kellen will sign elsewhere, they way Bollinger has. Shit, if Bollinger is available as a backup next season, i'd have no problem making him part of the depth. this is a situation in the future that cannot be dismissed. Sanchez needs a capable guy behind him because its rare a QB makes it through the whole season in the NFL.
