Damn Patriots nothing, its OUR front office thats passing up all the value picks for the freakin John Does of this world
The one thing the Patriots, steelers and other good drafting teams do is they get good value for their picks. They take people that droped down. They don't reach for players like we have done the last 2 days.
oh well, havent they also taken like 2 or 3 TE's? i know its their formula for success, but theyre blessed alone to have ben Watson i dont know if theyre just trying to find Watson 2.0 or maybe a hell of a blocking TE
Didn't really reach for anyone on day 2. Patriots have been known to reach actually when there is a player they really want. I think that is why the Jets FO traded with Dallas. They were targeting O'Callaghan, and when they saw NE was going to take him, they traded down. I am not sure, but that is what it seemed like.
I think so , he went to the senior bowl and combine and impressed in both , especially the bowl game where he made some pretty good DEs look ordinary. Steal!
lol, the TE we drafted today is playing FB in the NFL, plus there is rumors this season Watson may play more WR than TE. We'll see.
You keep going on and on about the value..The 3rd rounders might have been reaches but every other pick has been great value.. DBrick was taking right where he was supposed to go, he was clearly a top 5 talent. Mangold was projected to go anywhere from 14 - 29. With Clemens, its clear they targeted him and got a 2nd rounder for next year to move down to get him, that was tremendoes value, he would not have made it to the 71 pick.. Considering Robinson went one spot ahead of Smith and Smith is a much better prospect I would say the value is there as well. Washington has been projected anywhere from the 2nd round on, so getting him in the 4th is good value..
1. D'Brick I have no problem with. He was the best and easist choice, 2. Mangold was projected between 25 and 35. There was so much talent there he might have been there at 35. On the other hand the saints might have taken him. I have no problem with him he is as close to a sure thingas we can find in adraft pick. 3. Clemens was a 3rd to 4th round talent taken early. Most likely he would have been there in the third round. He was a reach. I have no problem with one reach but every pick shows a problem. Get value for your pick if someone wants to reach and not get value let them waste their pick on Clemens there will be plenty of quality QB's available in the 3rd and 4th round. My point is don't put all your eggs in one basket where you have to reach. Rather do what the Patriots, Steelers and Eagles do and maximize the value of your picks and take players that have dropped not early. They target multiple players and do not become blinded by a need to have them on their team. They wait until someone they want is avaiable for good value. 4. Shlegal a 6th to 7th round grade. We would have been betetr passing on this pick and jsut picking him in the 6th round where his contract value would have been less. 5. Smith See Shlegal just worse. Anotehr wastewd pick. 6. Brad Smith Now we have 4 possession WR's rather than 3. except the 4th is a project. While I like Brad Smith I just don't like him on the Jets. He does not fit. We have need of a burner not anotehr possession WR. 7. Washington He fits in as the 3rd down change of pace speed back. He will take Blaylock's role meaning goodbye Blaylock. I again don't see the need. We could have drafted a football player that could have compoeted for a job. 8. Pociask Another reach. A player projected not to be drafted. If he can play fullback at least the pick makes sense. But there were plenty of players out there that could compete for jobs on this team rather than a player like Pociask who is projected as a career special teams player like Eric Smith and Shlegal. I liked the D'brick and Mangold picks. But those were the easy picks. 95% of the people on this board could have made those picks. The expertise is picking in the grey areas of the 2nd round and up. I even like Clemens but think he was a reach and poor value at 53. Everything else does not make sense. The lesson to be learned here is next year hire some football people with souting experience to run the draft.
I think you are missing something here. They interviewed something like 450 players, more than any other team. They obviously had these guys targeted for a reason. You say they would be there, but how many times do we see teams taken before we think they would be, someone could have taken one of these guys that they wanted. And who knows what is going on behind closed doors, maybe they heard some other team was going to grab them. They are drafting like NE, and Belicheck. They have a reputation for reaching when they want a player, regardless of where other people project them. The Jets are drafting by their board and what they want to build this team into. All of these picks are quality players, and I willing to see what they do on the field. And they managed to pick up a 2nd rounder for next year.
We also got a 2nd rounder next year with Clemens. It doesn't matter the value you put on a player. Everything you heard about Clemens leading up to the draft was that he had risen into the 2nd. There was a reason they traded back up in front of Minnesota to take him. Minnesota was targeting that pick for a QB and you can bet they would have taken Clemens if he was available. They ended up getting Jackson instead.
I like Clemens and have no problem with the pick by itself. Its just in the agreggate where I have the problem where every pick is a reach. I am excited to have Clemens on our team. But it appears the new FO is putting all their eggs in one basket on every player they have targetted for each round and jumping ahead to get them. The reasons the Patriots, Steelers and Eagles do so well in the draft is they have patience. They rarely ever jump up unless its to get a players that has severely dropped. Like the Eagles did with Winston Justice today. These successful teams don't take players early like Clemens, Smith, Shlegal and Pociask rather they wait until one of the players they really like has dropped and is good value. Look at the Patriots draft. vakue for each pick. They don't jump up and take players early. If they are not there to bad. Let someone else get poor or average value for thier pick. They maximize their picks value. There is a huge difference in philosphy here of getting good value for picks vs jumping up and taking a player early to prevent otehrs from taking him. For example the Eagles jumped up to take Justice at 39. Great value. Look at the Eaglkes draft Bunkley, Justice Gocong (the pick they stole from the Jets at 71), Giles, Avant and Bloom. Not one single reach. In fact all great value for every pick. This is how you build a team. Wait for players to drop and jump on them. I was really hoping the new FO was going to put in the BPA get value for their picks philoshpy. Unfortunatley it appears the oppiste. Tangini appears to be possessed by some evil Mike Hickey spirit. I have not seen a Jets draft this bad in 20 years since Mike Hickey ran the team.
Dude, I'm trying to follow your logic about all the "reaches" you claim the Jets are making. But come on. Maybe, just maybe they aren't reaches at all. Just because Mel Kiper or some other "expert" had somebody rated higher means absolutely nothing. I'm confident that Mangini and Tanenbaum have done their homework and know who they want to draft. I may be "reaching" myself, but I'm going to guess the Jets know more about Schlegel than you. How many interviews and game film have you watched on the guy? Noboby knows better than the Jets what they are trying to accomplish with this draft. Does that mean everyone they have selected is going to be a future HOF? No. Does that mean everyone the Jets have "passed" on will be a HOF or great player? Absolutely not. My point is that the Jets know what they want and I give them all the credit in the world for drafting who they want, not who fans or experts think is the better player. Otherwise, why even bother doing their own homework? Just grab Kipers draft board and pick everyone he thinks is the best player. You are definitely entitled to your opinion. I just think you're reacting a little prematurely.
