Yankees @ Rays

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  1. talisaynon

    talisaynon Well-Known Member

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    considering what a mess EJack is right now, Leyland's definately going with Porcello.

    I really want to face Detroit and I have no desire to face Minnesota. That nightmare scenario where Carl Pavano shuts down the Yanks in 2 games keeps replaying in my mind.

    Not to mention the top 4 offensive players for Minnesota are posting the following:

    Mauer: .366/.442/.591 177 OPS+
    Kubel: .297/.367/.522 138 OPS+
    Cuddyer: .297/.367/.522 128 OPS+
    Span: .314/.393/.420 121 OPS+

    While in Detroit:

    Cabrera: .327/.398/.548 144 OPS+
    Rayburn: .282/.345/.508 119 OPS+
    Magglio: .301/.370/.407 103 OPS+
    Granderson: .249/.326/.457 102 OPS+

    Even without Morneau Minnesota displays some nice pop from their front 4, while Maggs is getting old and Granderson keeps getting exposed (.183/.246/.240 vs LHP) :rofl:

    Then there's the matter of pitching where, despite Verlander's apparent decline (3.74 era in Sept), Verlander is posting a 2.29 FIP, so you figure he's going so lock it down in the playoffs. The rest don't look as good

    Tigers Pitching(Sept/Oct):

    Verlander: ERA: 3.76 FIP: 2.29
    Edwin Jackson: ERA: 6.14 FIP: 4.76
    Rick Porcello: ERA: 3.22 FIP: 4

    Compare that with Minnesota's top 3:

    Blackburn: ERA: 3.41 FIP: 3.93
    Pavano: ERA: 4.86 FIP: 3.72
    Baker: ERA: 3.97 FIP: 4.33

    Then there's a matter of the bullpen, which is part of the reason for Minnesota's surge in the second half:

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           Name	K/9	BB/9	K/BB	HR/9	AVG	WHIP	BABIP	LOB%	ERA	FIP	
    Jose Mijares	8.71	2.61	3.33	0.87	.255	1.26	.320	79.4 %	3.48	3.58	
    Jesse Crain	5.27	4.61	1.14	0.00	.135	0.95	.164	92.9 %	0.66	3.68	
    Brian Duensing	5.05	3.03	1.67	0.50	.279	1.43	.315	80.9 %	2.78	3.71	
    Joe Nathan	11.30	4.40	2.57	2.51	.148	0.98	.118	95.7 %	3.77	5.89
    
    That's shutdown. Meanwhile Detroit has:

    Code:
           Name	K/9	BB/9	K/BB	HR/9	AVG	WHIP	BABIP	LOB%	ERA	FIP	
    Bobby Seay	6.43	2.57	2.50	0.00	.397	2.14	.469	61.1 %	9.00	3.81	
    Brandon Lyon	6.60	4.20	1.57	0.60	.175	1.07	.204	82.2 %	2.40	3.90	
    Fu-Te Ni	4.05	5.40	0.75	0.00	.210	1.35	.240	77.8 %	2.70	4.00	
    
    Not quite as good.

    So. yes, I'll take my chances with Verlander, as I'd rather face a starting rotation of Ver(2x)-EJax(2x)-Porcello + anemic offense + weak bullpen than Blackburn(2x)-Pavano(2x)-Baker + better offense + strong bullpen.

    We need Detroit to win on Tuesday. If they win with the 1 game playoff, we'll get to face Edwin Jackson games 1+4, Verlander 2+5, and I'd rather have that than Porcello 1+4, Verlander 2+5.
     
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  2. Don

    Don 2008 TGG Rich Kotite "Least Knowledgeable" Award W

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    Whatever, hopefully Girardi doesn't make the same mistake Torre did and not have them practice on Monday and Tuesday. It isn't like they look anything close to razor sharp...far from it.
     
  3. Yisman

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    did the Yankees make their choice about format?
     
  4. Cappy

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    No, but at this point, I'd be really shocked if they went with the shorter one that requires a fourth starter.
     
  5. The Dark Knight

    The Dark Knight Well-Known Member

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    Who do we want? Tigers or Twins?
     
  6. ace_o_spades

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    Aren't we 9-0 or something like that against Minnesota?
     
  7. IATA

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    7-0. But those games were all in the first half of the season, when Minn was battling injuries and whatnot. Now they are healthy and have been on an absolute tear the last month or so.

    They are getting hot at the right time.
     
  8. Yisman

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    it would really hurt Detroit
     
  9. Berlin_Jets

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    I am hoping for the Tigers
     
  10. Cappy

    Cappy Well-Known Member

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    Well, Joba was certainly effective out of the pen, which was nice to see, but it's not old Joba. He topped out at 95.
     
  11. ace_o_spades

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    How did his slider look?
     
  12. aychichi

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    Twins. Tigers arent playing well but they have alot more pop and power pitching
     
  13. Yisman

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    so here comes the one game playoff
     
  14. JetsNation06

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    ^^Exactly, a guy like Verlander can be deadly in a short series.
     
  15. Cappy

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    Only threw a couple, but they looked alright. Threw it 87-88, kept it down.
     
  16. Cappy

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    Actually, the Tigers really don't have that much in the way of pop, and I wouldn't say they're better offensively than the Twins.

    The Tigers have Miguel Cabrera, Granderson (who can't touch lefties), and Inge. That's about it.

    The Twins have Mauer, Cuddyer, and Kubel.
     
  17. Don

    Don 2008 TGG Rich Kotite "Least Knowledgeable" Award W

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    Does anybody other than me realize those 2 HRs and 7 RBIs gave Arod 30 and 100 for the 12th straight year?:
     
  18. Yisman

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    I would give Detroit a slight edge on offense.

    Minnesota put up somewhat better stats, but the vast majority was with Morneau. Now they're without their cleanup hitter.

    Granderson doesn't hit lefties, but Kubel can't really hit lefties either.
     
  19. Jake

    Jake Well-Known Member

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    Yeah. He had a great reg. season. 30 HR 100 RBI .400+ OBP in 124 games.
     
  20. Cappy

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    No, Don, you're the only one who has figured that out. Maybe you should call Reuters or the Associated Press and let them know.

    True, but Granderson, like, REALLY doesn't hit lefties.

    ETA:

    Kubel vs. Lefties: .240/.296/.342/.639
    Granderson vs. Lefties: .183/.246/.240/.486
     
    #40 Cappy, Oct 4, 2009
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