Not sure what you're going by, hopefully not fantasy stats. The last time Brady played his team went 18-0 and to the Super Bowl, his first game back this year after a major injury he pulled out the game with two TDs in the last 5 minutes. He hasn't looked like his old self yet, but I'm not sure who else you'd want in there if you needed to win a game and had the ball with 2:00 left. You can make a case for a bunch of other guys, I'll take Brady as much as I hate him.
I knew it, I knew it, I knew someone would say Fantasy stats. Are you kidding me? Without his best receiver last year Brees nearly broke Marino's single season passing mark for most yards in a season. He rarely makes mistakes. He throws the deep ball, and the mid range pass as well as anyone in this league. He throws on the run as well as anyone and has great pocket presence (or awareness).
Furthermore you better be running the Pats system, because he's not going to march you down the field on his arm. And I'm still trying to figure out when he led a GW TD drive instead of a FG drive.
The Buffalo game in Week 1? He did it twice, albeit the second one was a short field off the fumbled KO return, but he still needed a TD to win the game and got it. Sorry, I can't buy Brady as a system QB, not after all the success he's had, and they won three Super Bowls before he got Randy Moss and Wes Welker. Who did he win with? I can't even remember. Jabar Gaffney, the dude who went to Seattle, Troy Brown? Good, not great, and who was their Pro Bowl RB? No system does that well with average to good players unless their QB is an all-time great. I don't mean to be beating the drum for Brady here, as I mentioned I hate the guy, but reality is what it is. Also, not knocking Brees, but he plays in a dome in the NFC south, not the elements in Foxboro when it counts. Same for Peyton Manning.
The saftey's played a deep shell and Watson burned a LB. It was an easy throw and catch. He doesn't even get that opportunity if McKelvin doesn't fumble. It's unimpressive. Antoine Smith didn't go to the Pro Bowl but had 1100 yards and 12 TDs in 2001. And Corey Dillon was a 1200 yard 12 TD back for them in 2004. Gaffney was a good receiver for NE and Troy Brown was a NE all time great. But other receivers stepped up such as David Patten, David Givens and Deion Branch. They weren't the top level WRs he has now, but they all fit the system very well. But the key to the Pats was RBs out of the backfield like JR Redmond in SB XXXVI, Kevin Faulk for years and continues to be a huge threat and TEs like Graham and Watson in the Red Zone and short yardage. According to nyjunc, the elements don't matter. And it's not like the elements affect the short passing system that the Pats use anyway.
He wasn't great but he wasn't horrible. he still led his team 80 yds in the final mins to take the lead. Weis was OC in '98 but lost his playcalling duties in that year. So 4-4 is a great record? That was his 5th year there. He had a losing record in all but one. In 2000 w/o Brady starting he went 5-11, in 2001 he started 0-2 w/o Brady. If it was b/c of the D why was NE 0-2 w/ Bledsoe? Dan henning was here in 2000, we ran the same system. Rick Mirer was an awful NFL QB, Bledsoe at least was somewhat competent. 1996: 11-5 1997: 10-6 1998: 9-7 1999: 8-8 2000: 5-11 2001: started 0-2 NE was a sinking ship until Brady rescued them. BB was rumored to be fired during the 2001 season. Keep that in mind. Manning is always better in the reg season but then he collapses when it matters. Brees looks like Manning Jr. these past few years. I want my QB to make plays when it matters and Manning and Brees so far do not while Brady does. How deep into the playoffs did all those TDs get Brees? Are you really pumping up Antowain Smith? Brady had awful talent around him in his first 2 SBs, it got better w/ Dillon in the 3rd and better in '07. If he had Manning's talent he'd have alot more than 1 SB app right now.
By dinking and dunking. Again, that does not impress me, and the one who truly marched them down the field was Wes Welker. It was still the same system. And went 11-5 w/o Brady in 2008 The defense allowed 16.5 points in two games and played terribly in the first one. They allowed 21.1 ppg in 2000 but only 17 in 2001. I already stated repeatedly that Bledsoe was not a good fit with their system. It did not work. Yes, they got a QB that could run their system. Brady would not have been effective in a different system that relied on him making the plays. Manning has had issues in the playoffs, and he’s also been brilliant. Brady hasn’t had the same postseason success since Weiss left Lets see…He made it to the NFC Championship Game in 2006. The team has since suffered due to their defensive issues, but not because Brees has held them back as you are trying to suggest. Are you really trying to downplay Antowain Smith’s production in 2001? I didn’t realize rushing for over 1100 yards and 12 TDs was mediocre? Brady did not have awful talent around him in 2001, that is completely untrue. Troy Brown was one of the best receivers in the AFC and David Patten came up with big plays all season long. Smith had a terrific season in 2001. And Adam Vinateri bailed Brady out 3 times in the 2001 postseason.
Do you get extra points by not dinking and dunking? if it was so easy to defend why has he had so much success? It wasn't Weis' system though. I don't know if what we ran is the smae as what NE runs. Either way BB has only made 1 playoff app w/o Brady. 11-5 w/o Brady after going 16-0 the year before and playing a weaker schedule. Were they 0-2 before Brady started in 2001? obviously they weren't scoring enough and Bledsoe's TOs hurt the D too. Brady would be great in any system but any good QB wouldn't be great in the NE system. Manning has rarely been brilliant in the playoffs. Against Den and KC in '03 and the 2nd half of the '06 title game- that's it. His D and running game carried him the rest of the way in 2006. Brady made a SB w/o Weis. How's Charlie been doing w/o TB? The NFC was very weak in 2006 and he hasn't made the playoffs since. They had the same record as us in '06 and while we were the worst AFC seed they had a bye in the NFC. Antowain Smith is nothing more than average. Brady carried a mediocre O and made average players look much better than they were. Brady has had Manning's offensive talent for one season in his career and in that one season he broke Manning's TD record and led his team to 16-0 and a SB app.. Why hasn't Vinatieri been bailing out Peyton the past few years? If it's so easy to win w/ AV why hasn't Peyton been to the SB every year? AV had chances to win games b/c Brady put him in position to.
There are times you know what you are talking about, but calling that pass a "Hail Mary" is not one of those times http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=un3B7Og-FS0 Lewis was only Viking in the endzone. No other receivers were past the 10 yard line even. Oh, and there was still time on the clock so there would've been another chance if this one didn't work (in fact, there was a kickoff ...) Watch the replay again. In case you do not know football terminology, throwing a ball hard, where it travels more horizontally than vertically (aka a "bullet"), to a single reciever that is running full speed East-West (not standing in place or running north-south into end zone) is not called a "Hail Mary" by anyone in the world but you. You were right that the throw favre made week 1 last year on 4th down was a Hail Mary. But the throw last week against the 49ers has no similarity whatsoever to that throw last September.
It's not easy to defend. Especially when they spread the field and have 2 or 3 receivers run short quick routes It was a variation of the Erhardt/perkins system which is what they ran in NE. Weiss learned it from Perkins and Parcells. 2007 schedule was just as easy. They had 2 games against the 1-15 phins had 2 games against the 4-12 Jets and 2 games against the Bills andhad a game against the Bengals and Browns. That's because Bledsoe wasn't a good fit for the system. Only if he had Randy Moss. Otherwise he would struggle. You make me laugh. Mannings success was because of the running game and defense and Bradys has been because of him. Do I have this right? And he played terrible and they lost Please explain to me in the clearest possible way how the Saints not making the playoffs is in any way Brees' fault. No kidding Smith is average but his production in 2001 was not average. Did Manning win a SB with AV?
back to the original topic this is the stupidest record of all time. since there have only been 32 teams for 7 years.
If it is so difficult to defend why does Peyton do it? The goal is to win so if this gives you a better chance to win why doesn't he do it? So how come ray Perkins never had any success w/ it? the 2007 sched the Pats played 7 playoff teams inclduing 3 on the road. The average score in those 7 games: NE 37 Opp 20 In 2008 NE faced 6 playoff teams and went 2-4 against those playoff teams. But I thought it was all about the system? Who is a good fit? Just Tom Brady? he seems like the only one who has had long term success in it. yes b/c Brady really struggled winning 3 SBs WITHOUT Randy Moss. Manning threw 3 INTs and & 7 INTs in the 2006 postseason. He led the O to 4 TDs in the 3 games besides the NE game. He was along for the ride, Brady 2001: 1 INT 2003: 2 INTs 2004: ZERO INTs In Brady's 3 title runs he threw a total of 3 INTs, in Manning's one run he threw 7. He played terribly? He led his team to a TD in the final mins on an 80 yd drive to take the lead. has Peyton ever done that in one of his playoff losses? Drew Brees is a great fantasy QB, it's not a coincidence he couldn't win playoff games w/ those incredibly talent SD teams then he leaves and they start winning playoff games. RIGHT NOW he's a great fantasy QB, he has time to change that but right now that is what he is. It's not all about fantasy #s. He average 4 YPC in 2001 which is good but far from great and that was the only year in Indy he had a 4 YPC. Yeah ONE but he's played w/ him for 3 years and was one and done in postseason 2 of the 3 years inclduing a home playoff loss. has Brady ever been one and done? has Brady ever lost a home playoff game? Has Brady reached a SB w/o AV?
Because Peyton is a better QB and can beat defenses further down the field. Ray Perkins did have success with his system. They still had to play a 1 – 15 team twice and a 4-12 team twice (2 of the 4 wins came against the 1-15 team). They scored 410 pts which was 7th best only 29 points behind the league leader without Brady. Brady runs the system well, but he would not have done well in another system. Why cut out the NE game? Manning was fantastic in the NE game. He outplayed Brady when it mattered the most. Brady benefited from a defense that gave up 17 points or less in his 6 of his first 7 playoff games. He’s also dropped off considerably since Weiss left. And if he is as you say responsible for their 3 Super Bowl victories (I believe he was just a piece of the pie) then he is responsible for the reasons they have not won one since Weiss left. He was terrible against the Broncos in 2005, terrible against the Chargers and mediocre against the Colts in 2006 and was awful against the Chargers in 2007 and below average against the Giants. Yes,… Using your logic if he didn’t play as bad as he did maybe he wouldn’t have needed a last minute comeback which fell short any way. He was the QB of a team that averaged over 34 points a game that only scored 14 in the Super Bowl. He did not play well. You did not answer my question. Explain to me why the Saints haven’t made it to the playoffs in the last two years and how it’s Brees’ fault? Furthermore, he went to the NFC Championship game in 2006 so he’s won in the Playoffs with N.O. RIGHT NOW he’s a winning QB that’s 4-0 now that they have a better defense. Tell me, how is it possible that he can throw for over 5,000 yards while having his best receiving threat injured for most of the 2008 season? Just fantasy? That’s a lame response. You should know he is MUCH more than a fantasy QB. Maybe you don’t watch Brees play I guess. And you should know that saying things like "It's not all about fantasy #s" isn't going to work against me who watches 70% - 80% of the games scheduled each week. So you want to discount what he did in 2001 because he didn’t follow it up in the next few seasons? He was a big reason for the Pats success in 2001. Brady WOULD HAVE been one and done if it WEREN’T FOR VINATERI!
Just another pointless "record" for the great complier Favre to ride around on his tractor with in Mississippi.
Huh? Didn't they go 18-0 and to the Super Bowl without him? Brady by the way led the Pats to a TD in the final 2:00 to get the lead, which would have won it if not for a miracle drive by the Giants. I mean thank god the Giants did that but it doesn't take away from Brady's season and last drive. And he almost connected with Moss on a 90-yard bomb AFTER Plaxico's TD. I can't believe anyone is questioning Brady's resume at this point in time and I can't believe I'm defending him. What the fuck is the world coming to????
If Vinateri doesn't kick a 45 yard FG in a snow storm Brady would have been 1 and done in 2001. Brady played terribly in that Super Bowl and only had success when the Pats went back to his dinking and dunking. And now we're supposed to credit him with ALMOST?!?!?!
If he is better and can do that why doesn't he win in January? Who had success w/ perkins? Phil Simms in 1981? Perkins never had big offenses. So they had to play a couple of bad teams, they didn't play bad teams last year? 403(Brady led the 1st TD drive) and 186 behind the Pats of '07, 12 PPG LESS. Brady would win in ANY system. Manning was fantastic in the 2nd half of the '06 title game. He stunk in the first half and like I said he had one good half all postseason. He was along for the ride other than that. Brady also didn't turn it over and put his D's in bad spots constantly and those overrated D's folded many times in the 4th qtr only to be rescued by Brady. So Brady w/o any TOs and leading his team 80 yds for the go ahead TD in the final 2 1/2 mins in a SB played terrible but Peyton against Ten '99, Mia '00, NE '03, NE '04, Pitt '05, 'SD '07 &'08 didn't play terribly? At 10-6 in 2006 his team had a bye, that's how weak the NFC was. He leads his team to points in bunches but when it matters and they need that big drive he fails. They started 0-4 and their season was basically over in 2007, in those 4 games he led his O to 12 PPG. Right now he is winning but let's see what happens when the games become meaningful. he did nothing against us Sunday, he was terrible against Ch in the '06 title game, he did nothing against us in the '04 playoffs. he averaged 4 YPC in 2001, that's good but it's nothing spectacular. He was starting weeks 1 and 2 and they were 0-2 then some guy named Brady comes in the Pats win 11 of 14 games. It must have been a coincidence. If Brady would have been one and done if not for AV why has Peyton been 1 and done WITH AV? by the way, Brady has been to 2 postseasons w/o AV and hasn't gone 1 and done.
