Defining Moment in the Ryan Regime?

I don't get how the odds were so low against Jacksonville. Their offense has a very mobile QB, and burgeoning playmaking receiver and one of the best runningbacks in the league running behind a very good offensive line. The Jags aren't as bad as their record makes them look, and if you didn't see that on Sunday, then you were overrating the Jets as much as anyone on this board.

Should the Jets have won that game? The Jets fan in me says yes. The objective football fan in me re-watched that game yesterday and saw the Jets fighting against a team that they didn't match up well against, minus their space-eating monster NT. I did see coaching mistakes on both sides of the ball, but the matchups were unfavorable. Taking the Jaguars for granted to bolster your argument is weak.

I don't see a moment yet this season that was important enough to call it defining. I probably won't until I reflect on the season after it is over. But I know from past experience that predicting the very moment of doom for the season is a pretty common defense mechanism for Jets fans - the SOJ complex, woe is us, we must predict when the camel's back broke halfway through the season before someone does it in a news article and makes us feel even worse.

Has this slide been characteristic of past Jets teams? Unfortunately, it has. But I'm not going to be jumping at shadows and let past Jets failures ruin the rest of this season for me. If they fail in familiar fashion, shame on me, but football isn't about wallowing in misery and hating the team I root for enough to say 'that game right there last week at midseason is going to characterize the 2009 failure of the Jets'. I watched half the people on this board declare that they were rooting for team losses in 2005 for a draft pick because the season was over. If people want to predict their misery, that's their deal. I'm going to enjoy some football, because I know it will be all too soon before I'm looking at 6 months with no football at all.

Fuck this strength of schedule bullshit. If I listened to the SOS arguments, how the odds are against us to win another 3, 4, 5 games because the teams we are playing are toughright now, why would I care about the rest of the season? Teams hit slumps, other teams get hot, and injuries happen. The Jets are in a slump, and the injury bug has not been kind to us. Most of us knew there were issues with depth coming into the season, and now with those injuries, we're seeign the truth of the depth problems. And yet the team has been pretty close in pretty much every game they have played.

Right now it's any given Sunday for me, and I will enjoy every game until the clock hits all balls, and then I can fume for a day and look forward to next week. I'll pick my defining moment when I can see the entire picture, and not just half the picture.

 

Good stuff...

 

That is about the only way it could be a defining moment

 

I don't think I anywhere said that the Jags were not a good team. But at least on paper they looked to be the easier team to beat as compared to NE who, after all, didn't have Welker the last game, who always kills the Jets, and Brady was clearly rusty and now isn't. I will go so far as agreeing that Jville played well, and imo were well coached - they didn't crack in face of their lousy third quarter, and came back to win it in the fourth.

I think you also are not addressing the same point I was, which was whether the loss was critical to the Jets' season, which to me means their chances of getting in the playoffs. By some other measure the loss perhaps was not critical, and I certainly do not mean to say that the rest of the games do not matter, or that I will not watch them and will not care about them. I care about every game they play, and I for one never hope for a loss to improve draft standing. But, if the measure is their quest for a playoff berth, the context I was addressing, then the lost to the Jags was probably fatal.

The point of what that game meant and when it occurred in the season is what made it critical. Would it have been so critical if the Jets had beaten Miami twice and also Buffalo? Of course not. But that's the point - the Jets went into the Jville game having to win to thereby face more reasonable odds the rest of the way. Their chances right now of making it require everything to go right, which imo is unrealistic. If they were 5-4 right now, they would be facing long odds, but not as long as what they now face.

Wouldn't it be great if the Jets were to go undefeated from here on out? Of course it would. Let's hope they do. But if they don't, we imo will be able to look back at the Jville game as one they needed to win and didn't.

 

ryan is just a big fat cry baby.crying does not make up for his mistakes in leading his team.

 

Whats left after a good hard cry? Ryan, you shot your load starting up and unfortunatly you shot blanks. The real fighters saved and conserved their ammo and are shooting to kill. Two things about Ryan, he couldn't have my back in war and he makes too much noise to sneak up on anybody. STFU

 

He should not have cried. I lost a lot of respect that day. I have never ever ever seen a coach cry who lasted more than a week.

 

rex ryan didnt throw 16 interceptions. 16 interceptions, you know what that means? it means defense has to be on the field longer which means tired players in the 4th, means opposing defenses lick their fingers when they play the pass and will inly have to concentrate on stopping the run, means we will always have to start a game 10 or 14 points down, means that the jets will be predictable, means that if number 6 doesnt look at himself and corrects his mistakes like the horrible play action move he has, the locking eyes to the reciever begging for an INT, the happy feet, he would be a bust.

 

i have seen dick vermeil cry almost every game on his way to a superbowl championship. im an ex airborne soldier i have cried, what respect is lost? passion is never a weakness, it shows your potential to be great.

 

Good god! Amazing how we are predicted to go 8-8 9-7 at best and basically that is what is happening. Yet of course Jet fans, I use the term loosely, call this game the defining ryan moment. Jesus it is game ten in his first season with a rookie QB, going through serious growing pains. Really? Really?!?!? REALLY!!!!!! Please If you told me we were gonna be 3-0 at the beginning of the season I would have laughed at you. This is where I thought we would be, as did many others. Yes it is frustrating, gut wrenching, sicking at times, we have lost 4 games on the final drive of the game, and have been competitive. It's not like we are going out there and getting hammered every game and throwing in the towel. I just don't know what people expected to be, but it is what many thought it was going to be.

 

i thought we would be 7-9 because of our defense, but again mistakes sanchez has been doing are easily corrected easily corrected, looking off safeties is that hard to do?

 

looking off safeties can give a reciever at least minimum 2 steps to work with, which in turn has a more open target for which not to throw INTs, believe me if every QB in the history of football had the only problems that sanchez has which is looking off safeties we would have more difficulties on deciding who goes to the pro bowl. if he just corrects that one thing for now we would have a better record.

 

Ryan is a fraud. You know how to beat the Patriots? Go out and do it again you fat POC. Come and kiss all of Bill's rings.

 

You saw Rex cry? Wow, you must be quite the insider to have such access to the team's locker room.

 

Really? So, it's all Sanchez now? Yes, Sanchez has sucked a lot but he didn't lose several games on last minute drives that were allowed by Ryan's defense!

I don't have to even go far, just one week ago against Jacksonville. Prior to the last drive the Jets defense was on the field for a total of 7 minutes. The final drive lasted 5 minutes. So, let's do some simple arithmetic here... the Jets had the ball for freaking 18 of 25 minutes of the second half before the final Jaguars' drive. The defense was tired? Tired from seating on the bench most of the second half?

This defense is overrated and as guilty as Sanchez.

 

That was a long time ago and a very different time and not in New York. I lost repect because he talked crap 1st. When you win, you can cry then. He just needs to shut up.

 

It's what happens on the field that matters. And whether one finds the references to Vermiel persuasive or not, it is clear not only that Ryan failed to inspire the team, it is becoming increasingly worrisome that several players seem to be declining in their contributions.

Now that the Jets are out of the playoff hunt, it is time to see who should be unloaded in the off season, and who should play. Perhaps a distasteful exercise for the CS, but they better make clear that's what is going on here on out, and make the most of such preparations.

 

Hey folks... it's Year One... remember at the beginning of the season where we all said we'd temper our hopes and dreams for the season while our rookies get their feet wet and all? Yes, our expectations were for a 6-8 win team this year. Currently we are on track for just that. Better that we look for the little things that show this team is heading in the right direction.

Such as how well the defense has played at times, even despite losing a cornerstone of the line. Or how the young kid with not a lot of games under his belt has continued to progress despite some glaring rookie moments. Remember it is just Year One... you can't really have a defining moment this soon into the regime change.