Defining Moment in the Ryan Regime?

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  1. JohnnyJohnson

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    Ya know, after crying and benching people what is left as a motivational tactic? Nothing. He cried. Sorry folks, people don't respond to men crying. Women don't respond well to it, men don't respond well to it, and football players don't respond well to it.

    So what's left for him to do at this point? I do know if this guy can't pull off more than 4 wins with this team, then he's not worth a shit. And I'm starting to think, he's not worth a shit.
     
  2. 28rogerblaze51

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    LISTEN petrozza, your right on what you said but seriously how many games has sanchez lost vs our defense? our defense is not going to be stellar every game bro, they are human last time i checked, any defense i dont care who they are is going to have bumps, but if you going to have a QB throw an average of 2 INTs a game how deflating is that? the human mind can withstand so much, motivation in game helps make plays being deflated is motivations enemy. 2 INTs a game is the jets worst enemy,
     
  3. JohnnyJohnson

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    He's not averaging 2 INTs a game though....helloooooooo. As stated by another poster 13 of 16 came in 3 games.

    if you're going to use numbers at least do it realistically.
     
  4. Jetzz

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    I don't have a lot of problem with his tone he's set so far. It's tough to talk smack because when you don't win... well you look stupid. I would agree that he needs to maybe talk a bit less in that regard, but I like that he's given the Defense some swagger there. And they have held it up at times as well... we are finally seeing some kick ass D for a change.

    We just got to get some folks back healthy, build up offense a little more, and work on all three units firing at the same time, and this team can turn into something special. We haven't lost by a lot in most of these games and it has been little things that seem to trip us up.

    Let's all just weather the first year storm and give the team a chance for next year.
     
  5. Harpua

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    Its not all on Ryan, A lot of it is on Shotty who I expect to be gone soon. A lot is also on the Rookie QB.

    Its not only picks but missing open receivers. He has shown flashes of great play and flashes of extremely stupid decision making. Then again, thats exactly what you should expect from a rookie QB in the NFL. Entering the season most fans expected aroudn a .500 finish. Most experts labeled us as a top ten drafting team. Looks like the Experts win round one unless we have a major turn around in the comming weeks.

    Edwards and Kellers Drops are also not helping much. Edwards more so in that catagory. He would fit right in on the Raiders with those hands.

    Outside of the Bills, we have lost to good teams. The Phins are in the playoff hunt, The Saints are still undefeated, The Pats lead our Division and barely lost to a undefeated Colts team, Jacksonville is in the playoffs if the season ended today.

    Before any overzealous uninformed fans says that the Phins are not good look again. Except for the Atlanta game in week one, every other team they have lost to leads its respective Division. Two of those teams are still undeafeted. We, as fans, underestimated them because of that.
     
  6. Talisman

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    Right, because no other defense in the history of the league has had to deal with their offense turning over the ball? Last I checked, a defense's job was not only to stop the other offense, but to get their own turnovers as well. That's why when you see turnover stats they are always given as a _differential_. If your offense coughs it up twice, and you defense gets you the ball twice, that's a net of zero, and no one would buy an excuse of a "demoralized" defense from that.

    To answer your question, Sanchez has cost us three times (NO, BUF, NE#2), but the defense isn't that far behind in costing us games (MIA #1, Jax).

    You're doing the same thing you're accusing others of doing. You feel like everyone is giving Sanchez a pass by blaming the team, but you seem to be giving the rest of the team a pass and just blaming Sanchez.

    Face it, our _team_ is not what we thought they were (after the 1st 3 games), and it sucks
     
  7. 28rogerblaze51

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    defense misses jenkins, sanchez not throwing to open WR's.
     
  8. Talisman

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    Not having Big Jenk isn't causing KRhodes to whiff on tackles, or opposing slot receivers carving up the middle of the field. Many of Sanchez's picks have come from open receivers not making a catch when the ball is there. We can do this all day if you want, the point is, an excuse is an excuse. If you can't accept any excuses for Sanchez, then you shouldn't accept any for the rest of the team. Last I checked, there aren't too many Jenkins in the league period...
     
  9. Big Blocker

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    The Jet D is still #5 overall, and fourth in passing yardage and first in yards per pass attempt. Yes, they have their problems, but I would not call that sucking.
     
  10. 28rogerblaze51

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    just read all my posts in my sanchez not learning thread.
     
  11. JohnnyJohnson

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    I'm not convinced this team will win another game this year. I'd love for them to win out or at least show progress but they don't look good. The tackling looks like utter crap. 6 picks and a fumble in 2 games isn't good. Drops.

    If you can't look at the coach, then you can't look at anyone for those problems. The picks are expected but they could at least work on the short game more so we're not constatnly relying on him throwing on 3rd and long.

    They came out completely flat after the bye. All this shit just stinks of second rate.
     
  12. Big Blocker

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    Why do you expect Schotty to be gone "soon". I have heard nothing to suggest he's on the way out.

    And Miami is in the playoff hunt because the Jets put them there. They had only won one other game before sweeping the Jets. In any event they may not be technically out of it yet, but it's a stretch to say they are in the hunt.

    You also didn't mention Tennessee, currently 3-6.

    Houston is also only 5-4.
     
  13. Br4d

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    Even if the offensive morass wasn't his responsibility he'd make a convenient scapegoat given how the Jet's offense has been so inconsistent on his watch.

    Here's the short list of people that the Jets could choose to scapegoat for what has happened this season, so far:

    Mike Tannenbaum
    Rex Ryan
    Mike Pettine
    Brian Schottenheimer
    Mark Sanchez

    Now of the 5 people on that list who do you think is most likely to take the fall, so that everybody else can move forward next season?
     
  14. MadBacker Prime

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    We don't need a person to take a fall, we have two rookies running the team.

    That's it, this time next year will be a much different story, as long as Mark puts the work in and learns from his experience.
     
  15. Cman69

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    From that list, there's only one logical choice. If anyone is scapegoated, it will be BS. A full scale purge may not happen, but accountability will be demanded hopefully by Woody and Tannenbaum. If they make excuses and opt for the status quo, this franchise, and Ryan along with it, are doomed to repeat the same mistakes over again. Great for PSL sales..

    I'm just hoping Rex comes to terms with what has happened during his first year and makes the necessary management decisions to get his staff and team back on track. I'd like to think he has it in him to make the tough call..
     
  16. Mambo9

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    I think out of those Schotty is actually the one with more responsability! So good if he gets the blame...
     
  17. ace_o_spades

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    Random bump...
     
  18. nyjetsrule

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    The last two games are pretty defining as far as I am concerned. We may not run through the playoffs and win the superbowl, but damn it all these last two games have shown me we will be one kick ass franchise in the future, our core is one of the best (and youngest!) in the NFL, if we have a good draft this April we will be set up for a 5-6 year run that is purely unprecendented by this franchise.
     
  19. hiker

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    So far, this is it. The SOJ is a bad memory. Rex has managed to erase over 40 years of history, and change the course of the franchise. I hoped all my life I would see this day.
     
  20. Br4d

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    After next week. If the Jets win. Then 40 years of history is erased. Ryan has the Jets at the point where Parcells peaked. If they win next week then we can flash back to January 1969 as the last time the Jets played this well, and given the truncated playoff system back then a win next week is just as impressive as the SBIII win.

    The Indianapolis Colts, BTW, are the modern day equivalent of the Baltimore Colts of the mid to late 60's. They win more games than anybody else, with the game's most dynamic QB at the helm, and somehow they have fewer championships than you'd expect given all that.
     

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