After the game, I was pleased that the philosophy that Rex has always wanted to establish on the offensive side of the ball come to a closer fruition (ball control, managing situations, understanding what is to be expected of the Quaterback in terms of being a "manager of the game", and fighting back that feeling to "press" too much [Sanchez]). Thus said, and of course I fully expect to get flamed based on my total lack of correct terminology and full/complete grasp of x's and o's and schemes, I began to think about the opportunities and possibilities that lie ahead. The rumors that Shotty will not be here next year look more realistic than they ever have, especially with not only the frustration of the play calling. I often point to one glaring instance that boggles my mind, that I never see Shotty sitting on the bench or standing with Sanchez on a consitant basis (if at all), teaching, reviewing aerial photo, talking to anyone on the phone in the box. I am sure there are things that I'm missing but you see the greats doing it all the time. That said I had a couple of thoughts, and was interested in some feedback/and your views on a couple of points on the offensive side of the ball. A. Do we look to promote Callahan given he has familiarity with team/system, and Sanchez, and for how he contributed to the (at least partial success of Rich Gannon). If so, what exactly is his offensive philosophy, WCO, smash mouth football, balanced attack with a stable of weapons. Not only does he have expertise, and success with thes, but also manages a very effective O-Line B. Not for the media circus, but would charlie Wies really fit in well with Rex's system and develop Sanchez into one of the more clever/cerebral QB'S in the league... we know Sanchez has the tools, but the decision making and maturity must play catk up....enthusiasm is great, but...... C. since there was so much admiration for Billick's Color commentary, is he an upgrade /viable option to work with the O..... D. What are the best moves to make in the offseason in terms of RB; TJ= making a great case for himself a s a leader, mentor, and not too shabby in the skills Dept. and not showing any sign of wear LW= God only knows what product we will have going forward after this season , 2nd to the injury SG= Will he be at the place to step up into a more integral part of the game plan next year......or do we add even more depth through the draft and have a stable of backs....lol I believe 1 more proven big tall wide out and keeping Braylon Edwards, as well as JCOTCH, with a tweak or two along the line (can you say Fanaca?) Again, apologies if my football IQ isn't at the level of the rest of you here at Gang Green, I just had a few thoughts, that made sense to me, and wondered what you guys though, or maybe I can learn a little....:up:
Not sure about the offensive coordinator situation, but for the running back situation we all should hope Leon comes back to form and signs a decent deal, nowhere near 5-6 million anymore. TJ didn't have 200-300 carries a season his first few years, he has plenty of miles left, and he keeps his body in top shape compared to most running backs (Tony Richardson made this comment, and he's blocked for Priest Holmes, Larry Johnson, Chester Taylor, and Adrian Peterson). I want TJ back as long as he doesn't demand a lot of $, which I doubt he will because he knows he's getting up there in age and theres not much demand on the market. Shonn Greene is a rookie and with time he'll learn not to fumble it (caused by him trying to squeeze in a few extra yards each play). The rest he has already, and will be great for years to come. We don't need another wide receiver....Braylon Edwards and J-Co are a great 1-2, and Clowney is emerging as a #3. With another year of chemistry between Sanchez and these receivers, we'll have a good passing attack for years (also Keller).
nice thread. IMO Weis is a bad fit. I also would not put Sanchez in a new system. Replace Schotty only if the new guy (Callaghan or whomever) knows THIS system. As far as draft etc., it is time the jets starting trading down and stockpiling picks--Drob & Gholston= good examples of locking in to TERRIBLE contracts on worthless players. And as far the the draft and free agency GET SOME DL AND OL depth. Faneca has little left and neither does Ellis. IMO if they can't move Gholston try him at DE--hey, he can't do any worse there.
If you're going to go with a new systen, the time is now. Callahan may be familiar with this system, but is it worth keeping if the guy that installed it isn't here anymore and it never worked that well in the first place? Callahan is a WCO guy, and there are elements to Schotty's O that are WCO, so you wouldn't exactly be changing the system completely, you would just be removing the Air Coryell elements from it and you would be changing philosophy from air-powered aggression to smashmouth running with a deadly air attack to back it up. I'm not sure about Callahan, but he may be more Rex's cup of tea in playcalling than Schotty is.
Still intrigued as to how Brian Billick would fit in here, if he would even consider it... they have got to be somewhat on the same page and as I remember it the Raven won the SB that year with a Dilfer who MANAGED THE GAME.... sure we want a high flying circus attack, but Ill take a conservative smash mouth play and an opportunistic D any day....
In the current system there are plays that work and many that are ill conceived leftovers from the Mangini era. A new OC doesn't have to start from scratch but must be able to improve the plays and the play calling. An experienced OC would also be able to evaluate the current personnel and decide if a new system would be a better fit.
If I had to choose Billick or Callahan I think I'd want Callahan. Unless you have Tom Brady you need to be able to run the ball at will in lousy weather in the playoffs in January. The thing that's frustrating about Schotty's system is it might work in December in San Diego but it sure as hell isn't going to consistently work in December in New York. The Jets are 3-6 in cold weather games in December in the 3 full years that Schotty has been the OC. The QB's have thrown 8 TD passes and 15 interceptions in the 9 games.
I can't agree with what you said about Schotty never talking with Sanchez on the sidelines, as i have sideline seats and see them going over stuff all the time. I can't help but think a little knock has to go against Cavenaugh as he is the QB's coach and i think Sanchez's lack of progression and his inability to protect the ball have to reflect poorly on ole Matty. I don't know, maybe i'm wrong but i think things like that are not on the OC but the QB coach.Not that i'm taking any heat off Schotty but i think his real knock is his play calling and situations he put his rookie QB in which i believe may have been information overload. I think TJ should no doubt be back next season. The guy is a team player and hasn't done anything but his job. As far as another reciever goes i think we're pretty good in that department as long as we retain Edwards. I would love to see Woodhead work in the offseason to become a Chrebet(hate to say Welker) type guy. I think we should upgrade the TE position as Hartsock really killed us it important spots this season. I think if we did make a move in the offseason to dump Schotty Callahan should get the job. I think his experience with the Raiders and the success of Gannon under his watch is a good resume. I'm thinking that maybe it is time for a change in regards to Schotty. I'm torn with this only because of continuity for a rookie QB but i think we've been calling for his head for a few seasons now so maybe there's something to it. I would like to see us get a veteran in here as a mentor for Sanchez at the backup QB position. I'd really love Pennington to come back but i doubt this will happen. I'm not even sure of us bringing in a vet due to the fact that we'll have Ainge and O'Conner(O'Connell?)as i assume Clemens will be on someone else's roster. I think it is important to have someone for Sanchez to talk with that can relay "in game" experience during the game which i think is invaluable.
I'd like Cavanaugh because he knows how to call a ball control offense. He did it with the Ravens in 2000 and they won a championship with trent fucking dilfer. Weis isn't coming here, as much as I'd like that. He'll go back with someone he is close friends with. Billick won a SB as an HC. He will not do anything else but be an HC. No one goes backwards unless you are Gruden who would go to a top NCAA school and make them a powerhouse for 15 years. And to think of it that's not really backwards in some circles. All lines need help. Both sides. Address it now before its too late.
I want to hear further. Why are so many people sure Weiss would not come here??? I may be wrong but I don't see coordinators leaving either bellichek or parcells bringing these guys back or the guys running to go back. Yes Henning pops up with parcells in different places, positions coaches due but coordinators leaving and coming back???? Its quite apparent to me Bellichek does not like his guys leaving. Perhaps it was a bit different with Weiss then Mangini, Mcdaniels etc... as he left to go to take a college job. The recurring history is though that bellichek just moves on. Did he run to bring back Crennel when he got fired??? Weiss is from Jersey, his home state. We have a young talented QB he needs coaching. We have a HC by all accounts is respected in the league and great to be around. If anything I feel NY is a perfect landing spot for Weiss
I am encouraged to say the least that you are at the games and see Shotty working with Sanchez.... I only have wests central Florida TV, and they always pan to Sanchez doing something negative like the hot dog, or sulking, and/or whining near tears after a loss, not that I'm crackin on him, i like the kids enthusiasm all the way around..., I just dint see the stuff you are and am feeling a little better about it by your account.... I guess what I.m hearing is Callahan is our best bet, and I'm comfortable with that.....I really feel good about our nucleus and feel with the right moves, and some dedication/continued culture change, the next years will be ours....!
it's my opinion only--when Bellicheat sued the jets in 2000 trying to get out of his jets contract, Weis was his biggest supporter. Weis even testified against the jets/Parcells in an attempt to void Bill B.'s contract with the jets. When the arbitrator ruled for the jets, Parcells let Belly out of his jets contract when the Pats antied up their 2000 first round pick. Just can't see Weis coming back to the jets and planning the jets O against the Pats D when he and Belly are so close.
I would think if Callahan took over (and he IS my choice) he would keep the system, just run plays that suit his own style more. maybe eliminate some of the "read on the fly" adjustments. He loves to run and I'd like to see him do it. I agree Weis is a bad fit - he likes the dink and dunk passing game which I don't think Rex likes so much and I think his and Romeo's capabilities were greatly enhanced by BB and TB. As for Schotty: in my opinion he just gets too cute. As soon as someone gets going he tries to get other people involved. That's fine, in theory, but I feel like he then forgets about the hot hand. I'd like to keep our three-headed monster another year, until we see that Leon is in fact back.
A) A very good possibility. If shotty does go I think REx and Tanny would want to promote form within to keep things as similar as possible for Sanchez. B) No, not really. I don't see all three of Wies, Rex, and Jenkins sharing the lunch buffet very well. That and I don't think his offense matches what Rex would like established. C) If Billick comes back to the NFL, it will be as a head coach, not a assistant. So thats out the window. D) RB depends a lot on the cap. If there is no cap, Leon is an RFA, and Jones can be retained even at his high cost. If there is no Cap, Leon may end up franchised tagged and Jones may have to be let go. Greene is showing some promise this year. He runs hard and punishes tacklers. He needs to work on ball controll and pass blocking to be truely effictive though.
you guys are nots on Weis- Dink and Dunk- does Jimmy Clausen Dink and Dunk at ND- he fires it all over the field. So Weis goes back to NE and Brady Dinks and Dunks? Weis plays to his players strengths.
I agree 100%, install the same system while Mark is still young and he can just get better and better at it through the years. Most of the Great QB's have had that advantage, like Peyton and Brady.
