Penny choked in Oakland in the playoffs, looked like a lost puppy dog. My vote is for Vinny - I don't remember the pressure ever really effecting his game.
Vinny had a better team around him in 98 than Chad did in 02. They were both strong performances and both lead the Jets to unexpected results. I'd give them both an A for their performance in the respective years and leave it at that.
I'm going to say Chad because it was his first time starting. Vinny only had 39 years of experience at that point(I'm being sarcastic about his age), Chad had none. He came out and was an amazing QB for about 18 weeks. Oakland was the better team and they tore us up in the playoffs. I'm not knocking Vinny because he had one hell of a year, but to do taht as a first year starter is more impressive ot me.
Oakland couldn't have been THAT much better than us. We had to beat them the last week of the season to get into the playoffs. Penny looked like a rookie starting his first game in Oakland. I agree that he had an awesome season, especially seeing how it was his first season starting. edit: hrmmm - my memory bay be wrong - i thought we did beat oakland at the end of the seasno, but it couldn't have been the last game - we played GB the last game right? i gotta quit drinking edit2: Dec 2 @Oakland Lost 20-26
I still say that game could of been mighty different had C-Wood not be a girl and pretty much tackle Coles since he was burnt, taking the pass-interference over a TD. It was a bush play, but Jets 7-0 would of changed that whole complexion of the game.
Vinny had the better talent around him, our OL was great Curtis was fresh so on n so forth. But I remember me and my friends being FURIOUS. Pennington didnt fulfill his MO, he wasnt calm, cool, or collect. He looked like a rookie. This was a team we beat previously. So it could easily have been done. But funny thing, I remember Jolley snatching balls out the air and schooling our defense. What happened? We'll go with Vinny since we were one game away from the SB.
Given the disparity in talent and coaching between the respective seasons, I'd say Penny's '02 year was a bigger accomplishment than Vincenzo's in '98. I also think Penny had to dig the Jets out of a deeper hole than Vinny did in '98.
As great as Chad was in 02, Vinny in 98 was simply better. It might have been the single best season of any Jet QB. He had 29 TD and 7 Ints that year and he played very well in both playoff games. Against Denver in the loss Martin had 14 yards on 13 carries and Vinny threw for 356 yards. He did throw 2 picks but the Jets had zero running game and Vinny had to put the ball up 52 times in that game. Chad had 22 TD and 6 Int's and played a terrible game against Oakland. Martin ran well in that game getting 74 yards on 16 carries for a 4.625 YPC average. Pennington had 183 yards on 42 attempts in that game with 1 TD and 2 picks. He was awfull and the running game was working. He just couldn't get the ball down field.
Vinny in 98 was better, but the entire team in 98 was better. Although shutting out the colts in the playoffs 41-0 was a pretty good feeling.
Chad didn't play well but he got no help from his teammates as he had very little time and the receivers were dropping balls like crazy. Vinny '98 had the best single season of any QB in Jets history and one of the best all-time from any team. He also got no help from his teammates in the '98 title game as he badly outplayed Elway but we kept fumbling it away.
OT: That is an awesome album in your av plinko. On topic: I'd agree with junc; Vinny just had an all-time great season in '98. However, what if Chad hadn't choked and instead led a 2-5 team to the conference championship or superbowl (sounds absurd when you think about it now, but at the end of that season the Jets were the hottest team in the league)? Certainly would have been one of the greatest NFL comeback stories. Sadly Chad's great season was tainted by the Oakland game. In a single game I'd have to go with '98 Vinny, just because when it comes down to it you want a gunslinger and Vinny wasn't colorblind that year.
In Chad's defense, the D let us down huge in that game against Oakland. We had Oakland in that 3rd and long or was it 4th and long? and they hand off to Garner, our Middle backer completely whiffs on the tackle and Garner is off to the races, Game Over. Up until that point, I thought we had a great shot of winning that game.
you have tour Oak playoff games mixed up, the Garner run sealed the '01 playoff loss not the '02(Jan '03) one that Chad started. The play that turned the game was a Chad INT late in the 3rd qtr w/ the game tied 10-10 BUT if Coles had given any effort he easily could have broken it up and things may have been different. Remember in that game becht had around 3 false starts, Coles dropped a TD and had a huge penalty ona long Moss reverse, Chrebet dropped a huge pass, Chad had no time, Coles didn't block the Tory james INT when he could have. Chad didn't play well but if he had some help things could have been different.
well.... if you look at the strat-o-matic cards, Vinny is a little bit better with long passes and just a fraction better with short passing. However, Chad is significantly better at flat passing, which should account for 30-40% of your your SOM play calls. Vinny also has superior SOM receivers, key = coles, but chrebet 98 > chrebet 02, d.ward > moss, byars > sowell. Pass blocking is also slightly better for Vinny '98 The running game is better for Chad though, particulary the run blocking, so the opposing defense can't defend the pass all the time like they would for Vinny '98 So I would say Vinny is better for an all out passing attack that could come back at any time, but Chad is a better fit for a strong balanced offense. And I think he would put up better #s in a SOM replay.
ur right, my bad, those few seasons (01-02) always seem to blend together to me for some reason lol...I do remember the Coles play you're speaking of. I agree he definitely coulda made a better play on the ball and broken it up. And you brought back some vivid nitemares recalling Anthony Becht not being able to handle a snap count lol Between the easy drops, molasses feet and false starts, Becht was very tough to watch.
'01 and '02 we had some of the worst defenses ever. They came together for awhile in '02 to get us to the playoffs and demolish the Colts, but they really weren't that good. They forced a ton of turnovers, but couldn't really stop the run or pass. In the Oakland game, they didn't get the turnovers and we lost by 20.
Gotta go with Vinny, even though the team was better. Chad did lead us to the top of the division when it appeared we were finished for the year.
We had good talent on D both years, Herm just tried to install a D that we didn't have the personal for.
I would disagree - the 2001 defense carried the team really. While it wasn't a great defense, the secondary was strong (finished 5th against the pass) with Glenn going to the pro bowl, Green having a solid year and Coleman (an above average CB at the time despite his inconsistency). Remember, the Jets kept the same raiders team (who had a very strong offense) in check the week before. However, for the wild card game, Oakland demolished the jets because: 1. the raiders coaching staff was phenomenally better a. the jets D was tired from flying cross-country 3 times in a week, a poor move on the CS that was widely criticized. b. the garner 80 yd run was due to an extremely pathetic play call for an all out blitz up the middle on a 3rd and 10 play. 2. J. Abraham was sick ? did he even play in the game? 3. the raiders offense matched up very favorably with the jets defense ? a very short passing game to eat up the jets cover 2 underneath and a commitment to the running game to exploit a weak jets defense up the middle (remember steve martin and shane burton?). Also, don?t forget, Hall missed 2 FGs in that game and on the final play the Jets were stopped at the OAK 1. The Jets were a lot closer to stealing that game than people realize.
