I agree totally. Revis has been far and away the best cover corner in football this season, but there is something to be said for Woodson's ability to make huge plays all over the field. Either one would be a fine choice for DPOY.
If the battle for DPOY is at the CB position then Revis is the DPOY. It's silly to put Woodson there given the difference in the overall stats the two teams have put up in passing defense. For those who aren't sure I submit this: Jets - 51.7% PCT, 5.4 YPA, 8 TD, 58.8 Rat, 154 YPG Pack - 54.4% PCT, 6.4 YPA, 29 TD, 68.8 Rat, 201 YPG I'm sorry, those numbers aren't even in the same ball park. The Jets passing D was as good as it was this year because Revis shut down the #1's in every game he faced them. This lead to the Jets shutting down the opposing passing game in every game but the 2nd NE game. The Jets were able to put consistent pressure on the QB only because Revis freed up a safety to blitz on half the plays without the Jets getting burned in response. There is no rational argument for voting for Charles Woodson for DPOY. His own performance looks better than Revis, but against much lesser competition and even then several opposing receivers had good games against him in games the Pack lost. His team's performance however was substantially lower than the Jets and you can't even argue that Sheppard was an x-factor here because he was hurt for a good stretch of the season. If Woodson gets DPOY over Revis it will be one of the bigger cases of highway robbery in recent years. BTW, looking at the numbers I think the Jets have a real shot in the playoffs. The run first teams are the Bengals and the Ravens and they can get by them. That leaves them matchups against 3 great passing offenses and the Jets are better suited to shut that down than anybody else in the game right now.
I really want Revis to win the DPOY and I believe he deserves it, but even if he doesn't win, I don't think I'd mind. If anything, getting snubbed for the award (even though I believe Woodson is a very deserving candidate for the award as well) will keep Darrelle hungry, and he'll keep putting in an exorbitant amount of work into playing the CB position. Just a quick question to the comment that Woodson has paid his dues in time and experience and that Revis will have his time one day: Revis has covered a shit load of the NFLs top receivers this year, and has basically shut them all down. What are the odds we see another season like this where many of the leagues top WRs are matched up against Revis, week in and week out? True shutdown cover CBs don't amass the stats that someone like Woodson's been able to amass this year. The fact that Revis has been mentioned in the DPOY running is not because of his stats, but because of how he's shut down all these top WRs. So with Revis, in terms of winning the DPOY, if not now, then when? Will there ever be another opportunity like this for him?
Again, people aren't objectively looking at the numbers. They're looking at what Woodson has been asked to do this season, the fact that he's carried the defense, and maybe his personal numbers in that role. They also look at the fact that the Packers are a VERY misleading 5th in passing by yardage (I say misleading because of the absurd number of TDs given up). Again, Revis has by far been the better CB this season. It's not even remotely close, even with Woodson's numbers factored in. However, a lot of voters are assuming that Woodson has meant more to his team because of his expanded role. It's not right, but it's tough to argue that Revis has been asked to do as much in a visible sense. Unfortunately, that's what voters seem to be judging them on.
like deion or not, he has an eye for cornerbacks. he is the best ever in coverage, and he knows what to look for when it comes to talent. you don't have to like deion's personality to appreciate his knowledge of the cb position.
That's funny I heard Deon say revis was the best Cb hands down during the bills Thursday night game pregame show...
Great point. What I don't get is, it seems to me the stats suggest QBs are more afraid of throwing at Reevis than Woodson, so this, in my mind, makes Revis the clear DPOY. I just don't get it.
It's very rare that a year comes when a CB is being considered for DPOY. Now that Revis has opened up the conversation Woodson's supporters are essentially trying to piggy back on that and get him a career achievement award. Yes, he has gotten more turnovers than Revis this year but he really has not impacted the games the way Revis has.
.....i say lets have a cornerback contest....my cornerback will beat their cornerback ANYDAY of the week!!!
I don't have a problem with it either way... I think those are good points, Woodson has certainly made some big play sfor the Packers, so either way is cool.
The argument you're making for Woodson sounds like the argument you should be making for Revis. And define "visible". The fact that this team leans on its defense, and the entire defensive scheme (i.e. heavy blitzing + man-to-man coverage) leans on Revis, says that Revis has done everything asked of him, which is to cover, man-to-man, some of the best (some future HOF) receivers in the league, week in and week out. And the voters are going to factor in, much like voters do for the Pro Bowl, that Woodson has been a marque player in the league for years, which gets him a slight favoritism nod, IMO. And while some may think that's fine, Revis has plenty of time to earn his own DPOY sometime down the road, the odds of CBs getting this award are very slim, generally speaking, so there is no guarantee he'll get another shot at it. Oh, and he deserves it too. Without Revis, our defense is most likely not in the top 10 this year.
Or we could give the award to the player most deserving. Unless you're suggesting we give Dan Marino a SB ring, too? I mean, since we're handing s*** out and all...
I think his point was that when you have two equally deserving candidates, perhaps voters lean towards giving it to the person who has been there longer. Your comparison would work better if he was arguing that Ty Law should get DPOY this year.
Just saw this one via Rotoworld: It is still definitely up in the air, but nice to see Revis get the edge here.
No, I understood what he meant. I actually posted just before his post saying that was a lame reason to give Woodson the nod. NFL longevity should have no bearing on who wins a DPOY award. The DPOY award is basically as huge as the MVP award, but for defense. To deny Revis what, IMO, he's earned, because voters are judging based on popularity, would be a crime. Dont misunderstand me, I think Woodson has had a fantastic season. Revis has just had a better one.
Oh, and should either Revis or Woodson win DPOY, it would be the first time a CB has won it since (surprise) Deion Sanders, back in '94.
Woodson has more visible stats. This league is sold by visible stats. Woodson gets the nod. It's that simple.
First of all, learn to read. I'm not making an argument for Woodson. As I said, it's "not right" and "unfortunate". I'm explaining the argument as it pertains to Woodson's supporters. I've had this debate with Green Bay fans for weeks now, as well as fans of other teams. I've had this debate with someone who uses the Ted Ginn TD reception as evidence against Revis, while ignoring Woodson's blown coverage. So, what's this 'visible' sense that I'm talking about? WE all know that Revis has been the most valuable member of our team this season because WE all know that he's shut down opposing teams' #1 receivers all season long and has opened up the other 10 members of the defense in a way that other opponents of those teams can't afford to do. We've seen other benefits to this in the improved pass coverage in all areas of the field. In some cases, he's shut down more than half the passing production of an offense, and the rest of the team is more than capable of shutting down the rest. The problem is, voters looking at Woodson see his more direct influence all over the field. The way he's been used makes him more visible to voters. Revis creates an absence on the field, which is harder to visually quantify. Woodson lines up all over the field, he rushes the passer, he steps up in run support, he drops back to safety. He hasn't been nearly as good as Revis, or as important, but his contribution has been a hell of a lot more "visible." Understand?
