Aside from the fact that it was made public that Leon Washington's camp rejected one offer, and Mangold's negotiations were in most part kept private, what other differences were there in how these two players approached training camp and the team? Please correct me if I'm wrong but I'm thinking Leon Washington was a true professional himself to show up to TC without a new contract. That was an example of how a retarded agent can bring down a player's career. I'm glad Mangold was locked up long term but if Mangold went into the season without an extension and got a big season ending injury in game 1, his situation would have pretty much mirrored that of Leon's. Leon really could've had a role in NYJ for a long time, but what's done is done.
not sure the Jets would be so quick to trade or cut one of the premier centers in the league...because of a season-ending injury. Leon was expendable. You're comparing apples & oranges here.
Different circumstances for sure. But not to beat a dead horse, Leon was offerred a pretty good contract that his agent(s) shit the bed on. Now, if he has a subpar year in Seattle, he will never see an offer like that again. Mangold is healthy, and proven to be an elite player in the league. He is not recovering from a compound leg fracture, and the center position is not crowded with other potential starters.
Their importance is too different to compare. Mangold is very important as a top center in the league. Leon is a great 3rd down back and amazing kick returner. I didn't feel that warranted $5 million a year like he was offered I believe. Like MB said, Leon was expendable like Sylvestor Stallone, Mangold is not. Also, you said Leon could have had a "role" on this team for years and its true, but not worth that much i'd say.
Mangold is the best center in the NFL. Leon Washington is a kick returner and occaisional change of pace RB. If Mangold gets hurt he gets paid anyway. If Leon gets hurt, he and his greedy agent get what they deserve.
i agree with all of you guys in the fact that these two players had a very different level of importance to the team. From the TEAM's perspective. my take on this thought was from the PLAYERS' perspective of how attending TC and season without a new contract may have pretty much downspiral'd LW's career. As much as I dislike hypotheticals, Mangold could have a severe injury (knock on wood) where coming back to former self would've been difficult, the Jets (as with any organization) wouldn't be as loyal to the player. It's business after all. Why do Jets players have such retards as their agents?
Mangold is more valuable to the team than Washington was. Mangold is also smarter in that he got his deal done and signed instead of acting like a greedy fool and trying to get every nickel while at the same time risking an injury that could change the leverage in the contract negotiations.
You see much more of this with Agents that are out to prove something, like Keels, and these two jackoffs. Revis is probably their biggest client ever, and they are screwing the pooch. Forget Kendall, Baker, Jackson....etc.. Right now EVERY GM in the league is watching this transaction. There is no way anyone in the NFL wants to see something ridiculous happen here... a draftee gets more money than his slot accounts for on draft day, then in the middle of THAT contract stages an ugly holdout... (Lets face it, he should have averaged 6 mil over 6 on this deal with some 30 mil guaranteed) You don't see this with players that are managed by serious agents...(Think CAA, or Leigh Steinberg)
For one, Mangold is tall and white and played Center. And as for Leon, he was short and black and played RB.
This- Mangold is a 6-4, 305 pound white dude that has the hair of Thor. L-Dub is a 5-8, 203 pound black dude who is now almost a cyborg.
I don't think there's any way Revis comes back tomorrow. I would be happy as hell if he does, but it just doesn't make sense. They are too far apart and his agents want too much.
Well now it is when you bring in a 3rd party that had absolutely nothing to do with the conversation. But you pretty much got it.
The difference is mangold is by far the best center in football and was a key piece in the jets drive for a superbowl and was not looking for absurd money Leon Washington was an overrated running back who had more sentimental value then real football value We all loved Leon but fact is he was little more then.a pass catching rb with a decent return game He was offered a deal that was going to way overpay him his agent wanted more he got hurt and the jets moved on
There's plenty of differences. I think the most important difference, the one that makes this thread an abortion, was that Leon was a player at a position of very short longevity and needed to get as much money as possible as soon as possible - exactly the type of player that needs to try hardball to get paid fairly in the NFL. Mangold, while elite, is playing at a position of extreme longevity and he could afford to be patient and wait until halfway through the offseason or longer of the final year of his current deal before he picked a reasonable offer that would get him to his next contract comfortably. You really can't compare them too well. Regardless, nobody knows the contract that was offered to Leon and people should stop making the tarded assumption that he got a 5mil/year deal offered to him based on an anonymous rumor that was probably leaked by the Jets to make Leon and his agents look even more unrealistic than they actually were. It's also a terrible and incorrect assumption that a runningback is going to be with ANY team for 'a long time'. That is a pretty rare thing these days.
