LOL, I feel the same way. Thats how 95% of the NFL audience and "experts" view games now... how did this happen?
You're neurotic and self absorbed. Call yourself an adult all you want, I'm an adult as well. Difference is that I have a sense of humor and you have a sense of 'everyone is against me'.
Revis in 2008 was comparable to Webster in 2008. Since then Revis has elevated his game to an insane level while Webster had injuries and Bill Sheridan to contend with. By the way, we could go back further in Webster's timeline and mention the VERY high level he played in during the 2007 playoff run. Read my first sentence again and make sure you understand what point you're arguing against. At this point Revis is clearly the better of the two, in 2008 they both had strong (read, comparable) seasons. Look it up, because the numbers are there. Again, at this point there is no comparison. There was at one point. I don't know what you don't get or what point I'm not making you seem to be arguing against. Webster played with a knee sprain from week 6 onward last year. Check the gamelogs and you'll see his performance decrease due to injury. He also had a God-awful defensive coordinator that frequently gave opposing QBs 7 seconds to throw the ball. If you think Webster's success was only due to safety play, how do you explain his success in the 2007 playoffs and in 2008? He's a good corner and at one point he and Revis were equals. This is no longer the case. I don't see what you find objectionable here. 2. Did you even read the article about Rolle? He was released because Arizona didn't want to pay him $12 million in one year. The Giants (and pretty much every other team) feel the same way. Arizona actually offered him a larger potential deal to return and he opted not to. At what point can you make the argument that bringing in Kerry Rhodes has ANYTHING to do with Rolle being released? Rhodes was a player under contract during this time. I really don't see your point here. In terms of his play, the fact that you're only throwing numbers out there leads me to believe you haven't really seen much of him play. He's been great in run support, is very dangerous blitzer, and covers deep as well. Fewell uses him all over the field and he helps make this defense better. What flaw do you find in his game that makes him so awful in your eyes? 3. Boley is actually pretty strong against the run. Believe it or not, he's changed quite a bit since his days in Atlanta. I'm not going to go out and dig up game footage for you, but I am pretty confident that Washington is going to have to run the ball this Sunday. Let's watch that game and let Boley's play speak for itself. I'm pretty sure I'll be validated on this one. Keep in mind, by the way, that Boley plays behind Osi and has a number of running plays come right at him (teams like test Osi vs the run). We should get a good sampling. I really don't think you're basing your views on any concrete arguments. I get that your a Jets fan, but that is not an argument in and of itself. The fact that you referred to my 2008 Webeter-Revis comparison as though it were sacrilege leads me to believe that there isn't a logical exchange of ideas at hand here. And I'm not calling you biased because we disagree, I'm calling you biased because you show a fairly transparent and strong opinion that seems to be uniform in its disdain for the Giants' defense.
Contextualize the statement. If you don't, Burger King's "Have it your way" slogan can refer to something you end up paying a lot more for (hopefully)
Be careful everyone... we may have angered a "Forum Spirit" by insulting this witch...errmm.... woman. Be carefuls.
I'm not offended that you think wrong I keed. Turns out I'm using old data. The current numbers are 4ypc and 6.6ypa allowed. Those numbers are much closer to the Jets stats. It seems that the Gints have improved a fair bit in their defensive play recently. Interestingly DVOA lists them as third best. I find that interesting as well. DVOA ranks their pass D as #1 and rushing D as #17. They also have the highest defensive variance, meaning their performance is very inconsistent, This concept that a team can have the best of everything is what amuses me. Sure, lets take the Gints ends. Might as well get Manning with Brady to back him up while we're at it.
Dude... are all Giants fans this long-winded? Damn..... No way I am wasting my life reading multiple case studies about how the shitty giants corners compare to the jets corners. The main fact is that the giants D line is what make their corners look good. This has been the case since they won the superbowl few years back. Not to mention the giants / jets have different schemes.... Giants are Dline based... Rex ryans Jets D is as good as the corners are.. We require the best corners and you guys dont... no more 10 huge paragraphs comparing that aspect.
ok alot to cover here (btw thank for being a reasonable fan entering into a discussion and not a tool. much appreciated) Ill start with rolle. he was due 12 million, this happens all the time in the NFL. a final year is worth alot of money. The point is they had a few options 1) pay him the 1 year while trying to restructure and extend him 2) pay him the money then let him walk and get a comp pick 3) pay him the 1 year then franchise him for a 2nd season 4) trade him for anything 5) cut him they chose #5 and then a day after releasing him they completed a trade for kerry rhodes. basically they gave up a 5th round pick to get rid of him. The steelers got rid of holmes to the jets, they coulda cut him. same with cromartie. The chargers felt LT was done so they outright cut him. thats the difference. If arizona thought rolle was that good of a player they would have found a way to keep him or get some value in return. Now its not a knock on rolle at all. i think he is a good solid player in the giants system but he's nothing spectacular. same with phillips. he does his job and the defense is much better with him on the field, but he isn't an elite safety. you have 2 good safeties but nothing to write home about. Next is Webster first off there is no stat that can truly measure a CB. seriously. But i have watched every giant game for the last 10+ years. usually several times over. I understand your saying he isn't revis at this point. my point was in revis worst year webster still isn't close in his best year. He can't man up against anyone. he is too small and slow. he actually reminds me of the jets drew coleman. he does an ok job, nothing great but isn't a starting caliber CB. webster is better then that but not much. i honestly think that the jets back-ups coleman and lowery would do just as good of a job in the giants system as webster and thomas do. He is a system player. Think about this. Cromartie was bad in the chargers 2008-2009 zone system, after making the probowl as a rookie in the 2007 man system. they trade him to the jets who run alot of man and he is having a pro bowl season again. He is great at man, sucks in zone coverage. webster sucks in man coverage. so does thomas. the giants defense is predicated on zone in the secondary and pressure upfront, it forces Qbs to have a small amount of time to read the zones, identify a WR taht will be open and sit in a hole and make the throw. QBs that you faced can't do that. If you get a tom brady to peyton manning or drew brees they will pick it apart. were obviously not gonna agree on webster. i respect your opinion but i don't see what you see and i watch every game Next is Boley the guy was a free agent the falcons didn't want him and he didn't get alot of attention. the giants wanted dansby but didn't wanna pay his price so they went for the bargain guy instead. He's serviceable and athletic but thats about it. you know who else is fast and athletic at LBer? Vernon Gholston and he sucks. Boley isn't a smart football player or good LBer. he misses assignments, and gets blown up in the run game. Once again were not gonna agree.
What a sense of humor, you make fun of how a woman looks. You ought to take that on the road- you'd make alot of money being as funny as you are. It's very adult-like to make fun of th appearnce of someone b/c you disagree w/ what they say. She gave us enough ammo to tear apart her article, you just look foolish making fun of her appearance.
She wrote for Newsday for a long time. I never thought she wrote anything particularly insightful, but she also never wrote anything this stupid, particularly the comment about the Jets corners. This is just another case of journalists expecting SOJ to roll around again, so they cover themselves by sticking with the Pastys and the Gints.
I think she wrote this knowing it would stir up a hornet's nest. It's not very different from Francessa being a caustic asshole to get people agitated to call in.
why should you care that a woman wrote the article? are you that pigheaded and fragile that when something hurts your ego you are automatically on the attack? its sickening to see, in 2010 no less, people spouting off shit like 'go back to talking about glitter and cupcakes' or something equally as ignorant. there are plenty of people who sign off on checks for HER to write this crap (and yes it is CRAP). who pays you to talk about this stuff?
I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree. I think Rolle wanted out of Arizona anyway, just look at how they've handled contracts with other players, and the Cards (in keeping with their character) weren't willing to pay him anyway. And let me ask, how is that Rhodes for Rolle trade treating the Cardinals? Phillips is, to me, one of the better safeties in the league. He plays physical, plays with range, and is a smart player in the secondary. Boley helps add speed and athletic ability to the team. He leads that D in tackles and I don't think he did that by being pushed around in the running game. I think it's beyond ridiculous to compare Boley and Gholston. Gholston is bigger & stronger while Boley is more agile, can actually play in space, is faster, and has football instincts. Boley received a fair sized free agent contract after leaving Atlanta; I don't see any big FA deals in Gholston's future. The Giants didn't have interest in Dansby as he's a 3-4 ILB and older than Boley; Boley was always our higher valued acquisition. We're not going to agree on the CBs at all, I guess. The Giants blitz quite a bit and they play man because of this. Webster is a system product in the sense that once he got out of Tim Lewis system (where they played off coverage frequently) he got a lot better, but it's silly to say he's equal to Drew Coleman. I think you're being a homer there and you seem like a bright enough guy to see that you are doing so. The Giants defense is a pressure-oriented defense, I agree with you on that 100%. We have physical corners that bump WRs and allow our rushers time to get home. The downside is that these physical CBs don't have great speed and can be beat deep. Fortunately we have 3 starting caliber safeties that help make up for this. We're just going to have to disagree on this, you have some merit to what you're saying but you seem to be taking an overly pessimistic view of the Giants defense. I often tell other Giants fans that they need to view the team as it is and stop "looking for the optimism," I think you're doing the opposite and finding reasons to be down on a good defensive unit. I guess we'll just agree to disagree and see how the season plays out.
On the rolle comment i'd say the cards are happy. he's making less then rolle and performing better. Rhodes is more of what the cards needed/wanted at safety and cheaper. On the phillips, what has he done to make you feel he is an elite safety? i always hear the giants talk about this guy like he is the next ronnie lott but he barely played his rookie year, got hurt after 2 game sin his second season, and now he is in his 3rd season and hasn't done anything great. You wanna see a stud safety, look at Eric Berry. guy is a beast for KC as a rookie. Now Dansby Basically they wanted him but after reese spent a bunch of money the year before in free agency and didn't get much of a return, he decided against trying to bid for his services and went with a cheaper option. There is a reason that ATL let him walk once again. it wasn't cap reasons, it was because they just didn't think he was that good, and in his giants career he hasn't been that good. giants need a whole makeover at LBer cause its a mess and finally webster. I didn't say coleman was as good. i said he reminds me of coleman but is a bit better, I'd take webster as my nickel back anyday.
How can this person write this nonsense when already this year the Giants have given up pretty much 30 or more points in 4 games already. The Giants were out of the Indy and Dallas games by halftime, this is a top notch defense? Show me the game in the last two seasons that the Jets were completely out of besides the Pats away game.
