Rob Moore / WR - #5 ? ? ?

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    Eric Moneypenny / Special to FOXSports.com
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    With the NFL Supplemental Draft looming and talented players like Virginia LB Ahmad Brooks available to any NFL team, the GMs and personnel guys around the league have a huge choice to make.

    To supplement, or not to supplement?

    If you read my Top 5 Worst Selections in the Supplemental Draft, you'd probably want to shy away from spending one of your 2007 picks to take someone that can help this season.But the NFL Supplemental Draft isn't all doom and gloom. Here are my all-time Top 5 best selections in NFL Supplemental Draft history.

    These guys aren't my top five picks only because they had great NFL careers. These are my top five because of how well they fit on the teams that took them and turned into far better scenarios than the "hold off, wait until next year" approach the supplemental draft allows for.Also, along the way, I'll tie in some players that the teams could've chosen had they waited for the next draft, and not taken these particular dudes in the "Supp."

    1. Bernie Kosar, QB, Cleveland
    (1985 Supplemental Draft, 1st Round)

    Obviously, Bernie Kosar's the no brainer on this list. By the end of Kosar's rookie season, he was a starter. By his second year, he'd returned the franchise he cheered for as a kid to the NFL's upper echelon.The slow-footed, side-armed slinger from Youngstown, OH helped lead a struggling franchise to the playoffs in each of his first five seasons, and had the Browns one game away from the Super Bowl on three separate occasions, making him my most valuable supplemental pick of all-time.

    The common understanding is that this supplemental pick was shrouded by a small pinch of controversy. Kosar was a redshirt sophomore at the University of Miami, and graduated from school after the regular 1985 NFL Draft occurred, an important point since only college seniors and graduates were eligible for the draft.Then, Kosar made himself eligible for the 1985 Supplemental Draft, largely in hopes of being drafted by his childhood favorites. The interest on the Browns part was definitely reciprocal, and to this day, everyone (including Kosar) admitted that the Browns and the young quarterback were in cahoots all along on setting this up.

    You see, Minnesota held the second selection in the 1985 supplemental draft, and they also coveted Kosar. But Cleveland wanted him really badly, so they traded four draft picks to Buffalo (who held the first pick), just to leapfrog the Vikings in the supp and bring Bernie back home to Ohio. In fact, the Browns' mass dumping of picks to bully their way into the front of the Kosar Sweepstakes even helped lead to changes in the way the NFL operates the Supplemental Draft.In 8 1/2 with the Browns, Kosar threw for 21,904 yards, establishing himself as not only one of the franchise's all-time greats, but as an all-time great supplemental draft pick.

    Notable quarterbacks available to Cleveland in the 1986 NFL Draft, had they passed on Kosar in the 1985 supplemental: Jim Everett, Chuck Long, Bubby Brister, Jack Trudeau, Hugh Millen, Mark Rypien. The year of 1986 was a decent one for quarterbacks, but you can see why the Browns were better served in the long run to have not waited until then.

    2. Cris Carter, WR, Philadelphia
    (1987 Supplemental Draft, 4th Round)

    Cris Carter has the second most receptions of any receiver in NFL history.Even though Carter only cost the Eagles a fourth-round pick in the 1988 Draft, some in Philadelphia weren't overly impressed by the end of his stay there. During his time with the Eagles, Carter was battling personal problems, even though his statistics were solid, just not overwhelming.

    Either way, in Carter's only three years with the Eagles, he caught 19 touchdowns (that's all he could do, right?), which was much more production than you should expect out of your average fourth-round wideout. That, just as much as his later production, makes him one of my all-time top supplemental picks.Carter, an All-American receiver at Ohio State, was forced to enter the supplemental draft after the NCAA declared him ineligible for his senior season after it was learned that his brother had set him up with an agent. Carter appealed the NCAA decision, and the 1987 NFL supplemental draft was postponed until the beginning of September, when Carter's (along with a player from Pitt) eligibility status was made clear.

    After Philadelphia, Carter would go on to overcome his personal battles and have a Hall of Fame career in Minnesota, finishing his career with 1,101 receptions, good for second all-time.

    Notable Wide Receivers available for Philadelphia in the 1988 Draft (fourth round or later): Michael Haynes caught 428 passes for the Falcons and Saints. Other than Haynes, you can see why Carter was a great value for that pick.

    3 (tied). Jamal Williams, DT, San Diego & Mike Wahle, OL, Green Bay (1998 Supplemental Draft, 2nd Round)

    The 1989 Supplemental Draft is memorable as three big-time college players (Steve Walsh, Timm Rosenbach, and Bobby Humphrey) were taken as first-round picks. The 1998 Supplemental Draft should be as memorable, if only for two not-so-big name college players that turned into future Pro Bowlers.In 1998, Jamal Williams was drafted by San Diego, and by now with the Chargers, he's evolved into the premier nose tackle in the NFL. Williams came into the league as a 305-pound defensive lineman from Oklahoma State. Now, he's 348 pounds and feeds on a steady diet of double and triple teams.

    As for Wahle, he entered the Supplemental Draft after losing his NCAA eligibility with the Naval Academy. Taken by the Packers, Wahle started over 60 straight games before being released in a cost-cutting move in March 2005. Then, Carolina quickly snatched him up, and he reached the 2006 Pro Bowl after only his first season with the Panthers.Despite being Pro Bowlers and 1998 Supplemental Draft picks, Williams and Wahle share another commonality. Both went through rather drastic position changes from between the beginning of their college days and pro careers. Williams entered college as a 280-pound middle linebacker, and Wahle was a high school tight end and quarterback that wound up at wide receiver for a short time at Navy.So, no matter what positions they started off in at in college, it's clear now that they were both fantastic supplemental picks by the end of their college careers.

    Notable Defensive Tackles available to San Diego after the second round of the 1999 Draft: None of the defensive tackles taken after the second round in '99 have come close to matching Williams.

    Notable Offensive Guards available to Green Bay after the second round of the 1999 Draft: Although you can always find a solid offensive lineman anywhere in the NFL Draft, I couldn't find any of Wahle's caliber after the second round.


    4. Bobby Humphrey, RB, Denver
    (1989 Supplemental Draft, 1st Round)

    I was very tempted to put Bobby Humphrey on my Top 5 worst supplemental picks list, since he lasted only four seasons in the NFL and erased the Denver Broncos' first-round choice for 1990. However, when you look at Humphrey's production his first two seasons with the Broncos, you can't deny that Denver got first-round value out of this supplemental pick.

    An All-American in college at Alabama (rushing for 3,420 career yards), the 6-foot-1, 201-pound Humphrey injured his foot early in his senior year, making him eligible for a medical redshirt.As a prelude to his many future holdouts, Humphrey stayed in school, holding himself out of the 1989 NFL Draft. Then, instead of taking that redshirt season, he entered the 1989 supp.At the time, Denver was a team coming off an 8-8 season. The Broncos boasted a rushing attack led by Sammy Winder and an aging Tony Dorsett, an attack that was exactly as effective as it sounds. Enter Humphrey, a no-brainer selection for the Broncos.As a rookie, Humphrey made an immediate splash, rushing for 1,151 yards and helping the Broncos earn a Super Bowl berth. In Humphrey's second year, his 1,202 yards made it seem like the Broncos had the perfect running back to complement Elway.

    From there, it was turmoil. Due to a contract dispute in 1991, Humphrey held out some of his third season in Denver and was shipped off to Miami for the 1992 season. Humphrey had a decent season with the Dolphins, running for 471 yards and catching 54 passes. It was such a decent season that he decided to hold out again, but in the meantime was he shot in the leg by his friend with a .38, along with being arrested on drug charges.Since then, Humphrey has cleaned up his act, entered coaching, public speaking, and has even warned against contract holdouts to Ashley Lelie in local Denver papers. His rushing for 1,000 yards in each of his first two seasons and helping his team to a Super Bowl make him one of my Top 5 all-time supplemental picks.

    Plus, for Denver fans, think about this: Had Humphrey stuck around for 10-12 seasons as the feature back, we may have never seen the emergence of Terrell Davis or those great late-Elway Bronco Super Bowl teams.

    Notable running backs available to Denver had they waited until 1990 to use this pick: Dexter Carter, Reggie Cobb, Anthony Thompson, Anthony Johnson, Harold Green, Chris Warren, Barry Foster, Johnny Johnson, Johnny Bailey.

    5. Rob Moore, WR, NY Jets
    (1990 Supplemental Draft, 1st round)

    By the 1990 season, Wesley Walker, the longtime speedy stalwart of the Jets' receiving corps, turned 35 and retired from football. Big Al Toon, a three-time Pro Bowler at this point, was currently the Jets' No. 1 option at wideout.

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    Aside from the tall, lanky and productive Toon, the Jets' receiving corps was about as deep as the foam padding under the rock-hard Giants' Stadium turf. At 5-9, JoJo Townsell was coming off a career-high 45-catch season in 1989, which made him the only apparent complement to Toon.The Jets attempted to address the receiver position in the 1990 draft, selecting a player in the sixth round that put up some wild college stats (Terrence Mathis), and Dale Dawkins out of "The U."

    When Rob Moore entered the 1990 supplemental draft, it was like the Jets were handed a gift. He was 6-3, a big target like Toon, a great athlete and played his college ball upstate at Syracuse.Moore was a great fit with the Jets, and he produced right away. As a rookie, he caught 44 passes for 692 yards and six touchdowns, and went on to average 61 catches a season from 1990-95.

    What makes this an all-time great supplemental pick to me is that Moore single-handedly turned a 1990 Jets draft class at WR from a D+ to a B+ at the time (Mathis wouldn't really catch on until going to Atlanta), and he was an instant hit opposite Toon.Moore would finish his NFL career with Arizona, posting career marks of 628 catches for 9,302 yards and 49 touchdowns.

    Notable wide receivers available to the Jets had they waited until 1991 to use the pick: Herman Moore, Alvin Harper, Mike Pritchard, Jake Reed, Ernie Mills, Yancey Thigpen, Rocket Ismail, Michael Jackson.
     
  3. jetophile

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    Yancey Thigpen. OK, I admit it. I always liked that guy because his name rules. What a great football name.
     
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    It was a cold, cold day at Lambeau Field in december of 1995, the Green Bay Packers were looking to wrap up the NFC Central title for the first time in a very long time. Fast forward to the end of the game, 4th quarter, 15 seconds left with the packers beating the steelers 24-19. Pittsburgh has the ball at in the red zone, but its 4th down. The ball is snapped, and what.....what is that, Yancy Thigpen wide open in the endzone oh my goodness. The throw, and........... HE DROPPED IT!! Wide open, but he had a case of the butterfingers. The Packers win and the fans go crazy. All I can remember is my dad dancing around the room for 30 minutes straight. Some say Vince Lombardi knocked it out of his hands, no one will ever know.... yea, im a crappy story-teller, lol
     
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    jetophile Bruce Coslet's Daughter

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    HAH, at least OTHER FANS besides US get to SUFFER ONCE IN A WHILE. Hehehe. Crappy story-teller? Hah, no. I remember that, of course. I always hated the Steelers - and Yancey Thigpen is still a great football name. :)
     
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    Michael Jackson lol
     
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    He was a good player. Led the NFL in receiving touchdowns in 1996. Wore #1 his first two years. Then the NFL forced him to switch to a number in the 80s.

    He caught 7 passes for 122 yards (from Vinny Testaverde) in Cleveland's playoff win against New England in 1994.
     
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    I believe Rob Moore went to Hempstead High School, as well. So the local connection was there.
     
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    Rob Moore, great pick. Much better than that Brett Farve guy we could have drafted if we hadnt used our first rounder to bet Moore.

    Good thing Browning Nagle was still available.

    Definitely does NOT belong in the top five.
     
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    HAH, that was so bitter. :lol:
     
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    If we could only see into the future...

    Is it possible Brett Favre moved up to 2nd round status based on his 1990 college performance? To rip apart Moore is wholly unfair.
     
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    Bro, you forgot what I think one of the greatest QB's of all time Steve Young 1st round supplemental draft of 85 (I think)
     
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    While it was a supplemental draft, more technically Young was part of the USFL Dispersal Draft.

    Young was not part of the actual supplemental draft.

    There had only been 33 supplemental picks through 2004.
    I guess that crybaby went to Miami last year, so the updated number would be 34 now. I'd have to check that.

    Anyway, here are the first 33:
    Al Hunter, 1977
    Johnnie Dirden, 1978
    Rod Conners, 1978
    Rod Stewart, 1979
    Matthew Teague, 1980
    Billy Mullins, 1980
    Dave Wilson, 1981
    Chy Davidson, 1981
    Kevin Robinson, 1982
    Bernie Kosar, 1985
    Roosevelt Snipes, 1985
    Charles Crawford, 1986
    Brian Bosworth, 1987
    Cris Carter, 1987
    Dan Sileo, 1987
    Ryan Bethea, 1988
    Steve Walsh, 1989
    Timm Rosenbach, 1989
    Bobby Humphrey, 1989
    Mike Lowman, 1989
    Brett Young, 1989
    Rob Moore, 1990
    Willie Williams, 1990
    Dave Brown, 1992
    Darren Mickell, 1992
    Tito Wooten, 1994
    John Davis, 1994
    Darren Benson, 1995
    Mike Wahle, 1998
    Jamal Williams, 1998
    J'Juan Cherry, 1999
    Milford Brown, 2002
    Tony Hollings, 2003
     
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    A little off subject....

    I remember a rumor back in the early 90's that said the music group Bel Biv DeVoe used the line "Rob Moore you're dead" in its song Poison. According to the rumor, Rob Moore went out with a girl who was dating a member of the group. The line is supposed to be "One move you're dead", but the rumor says different.

    It kind of scares me that I remember that song, let alone the name of the group. That was the song that gave the advice "Never trust a big butt and a smile."

    Now back to the football talk.
     
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    Speakin of the Supp draft ... I know a few of you have been eyeing Ahmad Brooks. Got this off of www.draftdaddy.com/blog .


    Respected draft guru Rick Gosselin of The Dallas Morning News writes Virginia middle linebacker Ahmad Brooks likely has fourth-round value (supplemental draft), but a team in dire need of linebacking help might reach for him in the third.
     
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    The writer forgets that the Jets also drafted Reggie Rembert in the second round in 1990, so they had already addressed the lack of receiver depth. Rembert, of course, turned out to be useless and was quickly traded to the Bengals for LB Joe Kelly (I think).
     
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    You can't beat this place. That was like an obscure 3rd Grade Social Studies fact - you don't know why you know it, you just do. :lol: What about when he didn't get that critical first down and started crying? I was half-moved to feel sorry for him, but maybe that was the real motivation for that song, no? It all blurs together, but I remember throwing a sock at the TV. I've thrown a lot of socks in my time.
     
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    Terrence Mathis was the real WR that year. But Bruce Butthead Coslet and his Genius offence said he was "Too Small" to fit into the scheme.

    Of course Mathis then goes on to light up the NFL in atlanta.
    FFWD to 2005 and this kid called Santana Moss....:rolleyes:

    Man I can already feel the pre-season anger building up inside......then again, it may just be the 4th of July food.......:sad:
     
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    ROFL! oddly enough thats the first thought that came to my head as soon as i finished reading the article.....ahhh funny times.
     
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    Mathis was not better than Moore. Mathis caught a ton of passes in 1994 because the Atlanta offense was designed to get a ton of balls to the receivers.

    Career stats-
    Moore 158 games, 628 receptions, 9368 yards, 14.9 avg, 49 TDs, 2 Pro Bowls

    Mathis 205 games, 689 receptions, 8809 yards, 12.8 avg, 63 TDs, 1 Pro Bowl
     

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