The Raiders, that's a bowl of hate that will always make me go phooey. A flaming ball of hate, as a matter of fact. My hate knows no bounds for that team. As to the Boston Patriots and the rest of it, I just had a natural born, built in hatred for everyone in our division after the merger. I still carry lingering hatred for the Colts even since their departure because they were in our division for so long and because of the Don Shula/Super Bowl III connection, which also added to my hatefest of the Dolphins later on. How come no-one is mentioning when Marty Lyons broke Steve Grogan's leg? Anyway, hate, hate, hate! Oh, and I hate the Giants, too. A side dish of hate there. I'll have some hate with my hate, please.
During a Monday Night Football game in 1998 the guys in the booth were talking about Jets-Pats, and whether or not it was a rivalry. I seem to remember that Boomer Esiason (in the MNF booth at the time) reckoned it was a rivalry. The other guys seemed less sure because they didn't think the Jets were good enough for it to count as a rivalry. It was just their opinion, but an interesting one. Then Dedric Ward caught a long bomb for a TD to win the game and the Jets were on their way. I think it has been an intense rivalry since that time. It can't be anything else with the defections each way in terms of coaching staff.
Well, if you're pointing out wrong info. You're wrong on this one. The AFL-NFL combined to become one league and two conferences (AFC/NFC) in 1970, not 1971. That's when the Jets-Colts started playing twice a year.
I'm reading his biography as well right now. They really make him out to sound like one big drunk. I know it was a different era by WOW, drinking unitl 8am on the day of the game..God Bless Him! Thought the part about Sonny hiding him out in the Bahama's over Xmas so no other agent's GM;s could get to him was hilarious. Also never knew that Jim Hudson was the QB and Pete Lammons was the TE on the Texas team that beat 'bama in the Orange Bowl. It's a pretty good read so far.
First off, football announcers, particularly NFL ones, make a bunch of dumb comments. Often times I am embarrassed to be an NFL fan. From what I'm reading in this thread, people define the term 'rivalry' differently. By definition, the Jets and Patriots are rivals and have had a rivalry since 1960. My point from the beginning here was that the rivalry did not become a particularly intense one until 1997. rival- n. 1 a person or thing who tries to get or do the same thing as another, or to equal or surpass another; competitor rivalry- n. the act of rivaling or the fact or condition of being a rival or rivals; competition; emulation
I agree good read so far, I just got through the SBIII chapter last night. Your right, a big drunk, total womanizer and one tough SOB. I cringe everytime they talk about draining the "sewer water" out of his knee before each game....
Yep we had a bigger rivalary with the Raiders then with the Pats strange as that sounds. It was big Ben breaking JWN jaw that stirred the pot on that one
You called me out for lacking knowledge about the history of the game. I asked you to show me where I was wrong; you failed to do so. Now I am calling you out for MISINFORMATION. Unlike you, I can back it up. Ike Lassiter broke Namath's cheekbone. Davidson did not break Namath's jaw.
100% absolutely correct. It was Lassiter, not Davidson and it was the cheekbone, not his jaw. Kriegel gives a good account of that moment in his Namath biography and there's a famous photo of it, with Namath's helmet flying off. It was a brutal and dirty hit.
Thanks, Cakes. I can always rely on you for the proper info. I always went with "jaw" because my Dad said, "That son of a b*tch! He broke Namath's face!" Face, jaw, it was all the same to me all at the ripe old age of 4 and it just became skewed "jaw" legend after that. I was 5 for SB III, which was the following year, but my Dad griped and never stopped talking about it every time we played the Raiders since. Supposedly Namath called the Raiders a bunch of cheap shot artists before he ever played them, so they levelled him. Davidson knocked off Namath's helmet and Namath got his mug mashed, which was credited to Davidson and not Lassiter. We threw peanuts at the TV every time the Jets played the Raiders away for years following just the same. :lol: EDIT: Calling on winstonbiggs, my JETS upstarts/Namath rules partner in crime. I don't look stuff up and I rely on memory and obscure 3rd Grade Social Studies facts. PS 107, as a matter of fact. And always remember, N is for Namath, not Nancy. And that's a fact.
You can never have too much information :up: Taken from http://www.newyorkjets.com/team/history/ 1969 Season Record: 10-4-0 09/14/69 @ BUF 33-19........... 09/21/69 @ DEN 19-21 09/28/69 @ SD 27-34 .............10/05/69 @ BOS 23-14 10/12/69 @ CIN 21-7 ..............10/20/69 HOU 26-17 12/14/69 @ MIA 27-9 ..............10/26/69 BOS 23-17 11/02/69 MIA 34-31 ................11/09/69 BUF 16-6 11/16/69 KC 16-34 ..................11/23/69 CIN 40-7 11/30/69 OAK 14-27 ................12/06/69 @ HOU January 1, Namath Honors Joe Namath reaped a harvest of awards: AFL MVP, Hickok Belt winner, George Halas Award as the Most Courageous Pro Player, Pro Player of the Year. January 1, All-Time AFL Team Weeb Ewbank named the all-time coach of the AFL and Joe Namath, Don Maynard and Gerry Philbin chosen to the all-time AFL first team selected by the Hall of Fame. January 12, Owner Leon Hess Remembered Leon Hess, the owner of the New York Jets and the oil legend, died at age 85. The cause of death was attributed to complications from a blood disease. Hess was one of a group of five who originally bought the New York franchise out of bankruptcy in 1963 and soon changed the name from Titans to Jets and hired Weeb Ewbank as the head coach and general manager. He kept a low profile and stayed behind the scenes while making every effort to give the Jets and their fans first class facilities. After the Jets captured the Super Bowl III championship (Jan. 12, 1969), Hess' dream was a return to the Super Bowl. His hiring of Bill Parcells almost made that dream come through in 1998 as the Jets rang up a club record 12 wins, including their first AFC East championship, but ultimately lost to the eventual Super Bowl champion Denver Broncos in the AFC Championship game. Hess, who started building Hess Oil from his father's one truck heating oil delivery business during the depression and built it into a multi-billion dollar company, became the sole owner of the Jets in 1984. (May 7). January 12, Super Bowl III Jets become the first AFL team to win the Super Bowl, pounding out a 16-7 victory over the Baltimore Colts at Miami?s Orange Bowl. Weeb Ewbank becomes first coach to win world titles in both leagues. Namath chosen Super Bowl MVP (Jan. 12). January 30, Coaching Shuffle Clive Rush, chief offensive assistant to Ewbank, leaves the Jets to become head coach of the Boston Patriots (Jan. 30). February 11, Front Office Re-alignment George Sauer, head talent scout, leaves to become Boston?s general manager (Feb. 11). May 17, Re-alignment Baltimore, Cleveland and Pittsburgh join the AFL clubs to complete the merger of the two leagues. Jets placed in East with Baltimore, Boston, Buffalo, Miami (May 17). June 6, Namath Returns Joe Namath announces his retirement from pro football in dispute over his ownership of Manhattan bar, Bachelors III (June 6). July 18, Retirement Ended Joe Namath announces sale of Bachelors III and comes out of retirement (July 18). August 1, All-Star Game Jets defeat College All-Stars 26-24 becoming the first AFL team to play in the Chicago classic (Aug. 1). August 17, Cross-Town Rivals Jets beat Giants 37-14 at Yale Bowl in first meeting between the two New York teams. Namath throws three TD passes and Mike Battle returns a punt 86 yards for a score (Aug. 17). September 14, Jinx Broken Jets defeat Buffalo 33-19 to record their first victory at Buffalo since becoming Jets. Weeb Ewbank gets his 100th victory as a head coach (Sept 14). December 6, Second Division Crown Jets defeat Houston 34-26 in Houston to win their second Eastern Division title (Dec. 6). December 20, Playoff Game Kansas City takes its first step toward the Super Bowl by beating New York 13-6 in the interdivisional AFL playoffs (Dec. 20). December 22, All-Pro Joe Namath voted the all-pro (NFL-AFL) quarterback by league coaches for the second year in a row. Joining him on all-pro squads were Winston Hill and Matt Snell (Dec. 22). 1970 Season Record: 4-10-0 09/21/70 @ CLE 21-31.......... 09/27/70 @ BOS 31-21 10/04/70 @ BUF 31-34 ..........10/10/70 MIA 6-20 10/18/70 BAL 22-29 .............10/25/70 BUF 6-10 11/01/70 NYG 10-22 .............11/08/70 @ PIT 17-21 11/15/70 @ LA 31-20 ...........11/22/70 BOS 17-3 11/29/70 MIN 20-10 .............12/06/70 OAK 13-14 12/13/70 @ MIA 10-16 ..........12/19/70 @ BAL 20-35 July 19, Players Strike NFLPA strikes pro football camps leaving the Jets with only rookies as full training camp was supposed to open (July 19). August 3, Strike Settled Veterans report to camp after missing three weeks due to the strike (Aug. 3). September 21, First Monday Night TV Game Jets open up the 1970 season against new AFC rival Cleveland, losing 31-21 in Monday night TV inaugural (Sept. 21). October 18, Namath Exits In the first meeting between the Colts and Jets since 1969 Super Bowl, Joe Namath fractured his right wrist. He completes game but is then sidelined for the year. It becomes the first time Namath ever misses a regular season game because of an injury (Oct. 18). November 1, New York Rivals The Jets and Giants met in the first regular season game between the two intra-city squads. The Giants came back for a 22-10 win before a Shea Stadium record crowd of 63,903 (Nov. 1). November 15, Upsets Behind Al Woodall's quarterbacking and the top AFC defense, Jets upset the powerful Rams and Vikings within a three-week span topping two of the NFC's leading contenders (Nov. 15, Nov. 29). wow , my 2000th post. Time flies when your're having fun ! :jets:
In reality, there was a rivarly between the Jets and the Pats in the mid 80's. The rivalry actually got started in 82 when a chop block blew out Klecko's knee It intensified in 1985 when they played three tough games including a playoff game while they battled for the division title. As for the 90's, the rivalry did not intensify when Parcells joined the Pats, as many have stated, but when he left the Pats after the 96 season to coach the Jets. As for Boomer on Monday Night, he actually confirmed what many of us have stated for years - that the Jets' main rival was the Dolphins and not the Pats.
OK so then the rivalary between the Raiders & NYJs began after big Ben clothes lined JWN & there was a pix of him Ben standing over JWN gloating. Then on the next play JWN threw a TD I believe to say see you did not hurt me Ben
I saw folks throw hotdogs at the NE buses in the Parking Lot in the early 80's more than once. Not the I knew any of those people personally. Or that I would admit it if I did. Hehehe. Now did Marty Lyons break Grogan's leg before that or after that? I believe it was after, but don't quote me. I remember incidents clearly, but I'm not a fact maven as to accuracy (dates and the like). I guess I should start shedding my laziness there. I wanted Parcells to fall on his face there strictly because NE is a division rival, but you are correct.
I remember Ben Rudolph rolling over and breaking Grogan's leg while he was throwing a pass in the meadowlands in 1985. I don't remember Lyons doing it. Ironically, Eason then came into the game and brought NE back to tie the game, although the Jets won in OT.......
