Once again, you are not getting the issue. It's Testaverde all over again. Outside and Down, versus, Inside and Quick. His record of 4th qtr comebacks, and game winners speaks to it. THe problem is not the guy throwing it, it;s the guy calling it.
I like this. I thought this is what was going to be run when he came here. This is what Rivers runs in SD with all of his basketball WRs. I figured that's what was going to happen here. Schotty came from that offense. Brees did well with it too. Sanchez has a long delivery, so I thought it would be taken advantage of with deep passes. All of this was incorrect. Bob Sutton has no clue what offensive system can help his QB.
More closely, the Troika from the Cowboys would be a good example - from where Norv Turner comes, out of where Schottenheimer comes. Look. I can understand why Rex stayed with Schottenheimer in the first place - the brand he learned (Sid Gillman offense - which is exactly the brand of football you are endorsing in fact) fits well with the kind of football Rex wanted to play. The problem is, Schottenheimer's designs never stretches the defense vertically, which is a staple hallmark of Sid Gillman offense. Now, personnel-wise there are a few problems in Jets squad composition: 1. WR1 and WR2 (Santonio and Plax) must be prolific downfield threats. Neither is half the threat that Michael Irvin was. (I really think Tanny dropped the ball when he let Edwards go. He was that tall and fast downfield threat, which fits exceptionally well with this style of offense.) 2. Since downfield threat is almost non-existent, that bottles up the rushing attack as well. As you know, Shonn Greene is not exactly Barry Sanders nor Emmitt Smith; he doesn't have the lower frame that either RB had, and thus goes down easily. If the Jets are still going in the direction of Schottenheimer, I may have a name to bring up: Ernie Zampese. P.S. When I brought up the name of Zampese, I didn't mean Jets must hire him as the OC; staying out even one year out of the league means you are that much behind in today's league. (Recall the botched comeback by Joe Gibbs a few years ago.) Zampese was out of league for good 7 years - he cannot function properly this season even if he wanted to. He will need some catching up to do in that regard. What I was going to say was, Zampese would be a better choice for the offense consultant (currently what Tom Moore is doing) because he will see many flaws in the designs and play progressions - you know, the kind of things you must not do as an OC. P.S. 2. With the WCO basically running rampant all over the league, I can see why some of you want to mold Sanchez into the shape of Joe Montana, but with the current offense set-up and with the Jets identity (Ground and Pound), along with the personal preferences (that we have seen so far) better model for Sanchez would be Troy Aikman, not Joe Montana. He is a gun-slinger with a slugger's mentality. He doesn't mind the hits (but wouldn't be wise to keep him getting hits) but he struggles with multiple reads. Tom Brady or Aaron Rodgers, Sanchez is not, and he won't have to be either, with Jets team.
Do people really believe schotty is the problem? Or maybe schotty calls the plays he thinks Sanchez can make. And even then Sanchez has looked average.
It' not the QB. We run shitty plays. Brian calls those shitty plays. Fire the OC, and we can have an offense that can score. Keep Brian , and you could have Tammy Brady and it would be the same result. Also, signing Hunter and not cutting Ducasse has to be up there with drafting Gholston in bone headed moves by our FO.
Do you really believe what you wrote, that Schottenheimer is the reason why Sanchez has poor accuracy? ____ As for "Outside and Down, versus, Inside and Quick", what did you mean there? To keep it real simple, that's essentially the offensive scheme that I feel best fits Sanchez. ____ I'd get the issue if you made yourself more clear. I felt I was clear enough with my earlier posts in this thread.
He's smart, I say we let him pick the plays (seriously). The few plays he's been allowed to call, we've had success. Schotty sucks pretty badly, and I think if he gave Sanchez more freedom, we could possibly turn into an elite passing team in 3-4 years. Mason, Holmes, Burress, Keller, LT...the receivers are there.
Problem there is that at least three of those players will not be with the team in 3-4 years. Heck, Mason, Burress and Tomlinson might not even be back for next season.
I believe he was somewhat a product of the USC system Never really liked the pick, but I want to believe in him This is not all on the play calling, Sanchez just isn't that good Regardless go :jets:
Good posts. A lot of people here should take a few minutes to read each of these posts and learn something
kind of agree but MS doesn't have the arm those 2 guys had..... and i don't mean throwing it downfield. i chirp all the time about MS not being able to consistently hit the basic NFL throws - screens, outs, the "stick" throws......whether its footwork, accuracy, touch - it doesn't seem to come easy for him with these plays.
It's all well and good to theorize on this question, and this kind of thread is normally one that would be of great interest to me. This is the kind of discussion that brings me to a message board like this. But right now, I think the problems with the O consist of too many moving parts. The question therefor is problematic, since it does not make clear whether we are to assume the O we are fantasizing about is one based on the rest of the CURRENT offensive roster, or one that we can identify first and then change out current players for ones that make a better fit. To take one example the notion that Sanchez might (and I would question that, but let's follow it through) fit into a nineties Dallas type O is intriguing as far as it goes, but as was also noted there is no one like Emmit Smith or Michael Irvin presently on the roster. If the assumption is that a new offense should be brought in without there being too many changes to existing personnel, I frankly think there are no easy answers. And since that is closer to the real world, since we are not going to see wholesale personnel changes any time soon, I htink I'll go post on another thread.
Sanchez still has to be able to read a defense and know when he needs to let the ball go on a quick pass or something to that degree.
I agree with you 100% on letting Braylon Edwards go. Burress for Edwards was a downgrade IMO and it has eliminated the JETS vertical option. The coaches are praising Plax for his blocking and that's fine, except he's a receiver. I hope he gets better at receiving while continuing to block well on running plays....
The Jets want to run the ball use traps and screens to create over pursuit and big plays in the running game and go down the field with the passing game on play action. Not that different than the O the Giants run under Kilbride.
