Jets Management Covering Up Schottenheimer Mutiny?

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  1. Cman69

    Cman69 The Dark Admin, 2018 BEST Darksider Poster

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    No argument here JB however, what made me nervous about the Sanchez drafting was his inexperience in the college game before moving up to the pros.

    I think he was more a product of Schotty's system the first two years and now that there's alot of film out there on him and our system, we're seeing just how fast the league has caught up with Mark and our team in general.

    They made the kid the Face of the Franchise in the media capital of the world and although he may handle the fame well, its his performance that's coming under more and more scrutiny as time goes on. Again, Woody has over 50mil tied up in this kid and he's gonna protect his investment. He still has PSL's to sell and I have a sneaky suspicion that's what drove Tanny to sign all these "names" simply for the star power.

    Yeah, there's something not quite right in Jetland. Usually as they say, where there's smoke....
     
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  2. Br4d

    Br4d 2018 Weeb Ewbank Award

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    You guys are just nuts on Sanchez.

    There's a Cincinnati team and a San Diego team in 2009 that would just love to see Sanchez not on the team.

    There's an Indianapolis team and a New England team last year that would say the same thing.

    I'm not thrilled with his progress at this point but Sanchez has won more big games than any Jet's QB since Joe Namath.
     
  3. Jet Blue

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    Hey.... I hope with all the hope I can muster up that you are right....

    Cincy could barely geta 1st down... the other games were huge. But, honestly, I think all those teams are licking their chops to play Sanchez again all teams at full strength.

    I highly doubt they fear playing Sanchez or wish he wasn't around....


    It pains me cuz I feel like we have Pennington again.


    Put it this way, If Sanchez were the Dolphins QB, I'd probably laugh my ass off at him.
     
  4. Br4d

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    If Sanchez was not on the roster right now and we had Chad we'd be looking at our backup by now because Chad would already be out for the season. We'd be 4-12 again.

    With Sanchez we still have a shot at the playoffs although probably not going to get there.

    People need to go take a look at the struggles that some of the really good QB's of the last generation had in their first few years. Peyton Manning and Tom Brady are freaks of nature. Aaron Rodgers had 4 years to develop before he had to go on the field. Drew Brees first team gave up on him after a bad second season.

    Seriously there's nothing wrong with Sanchez right now that a good offensive line would not fix. There's nothing holding him back from developing as a good QB more than the fact that his head coach and offensive coordinator cannot agree on what the offense should look like and his GM makes some bad decisions on signing people and letting others go, treating the wide receiver position like a merry go round.
     
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  5. Big Blocker

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    While I agree that MS is a better Qb for this team by far than Chadwick was, your point about there being nothing wrong strikes me as an overstatement. Depends what you mean by "fix." For example, MS would not be a top five Qb in the league even if he had the best OL out there, imo. If you mean mid pack starting NFL Qb? Maybe. But then again, maybe not.
     
  6. The 1985er

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    Name one oc that jets fans thought was halfway decent?

    OC is a thankless job
     
  7. All Gas No Shake

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    you expect a qb to be top 5 after 2 1/4 years in the league? one of which had no offseason??

    mid-pack is exactly where he should be at this point in his career and thats right about where i think he ranks
     
  8. Andy_M

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    2.5 seconds guys. 2.5 Seconds. That's all he's getting. How much can YOU get done in 2.5 seconds?

    Joe Montana wouldn't look good behind this oline right now.......

    The game is played up front. Fix the line - fix the Jets.
     
  9. jets_fan_in_fishtown

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    Agreed.....

    this reactionary stuff after a couple of bad/mediocre games has got to stop
     
  10. GordonGecko

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    Especially considering Mangold was out in 2 of those 3 losses and Mark had his face pounded into the ground the whole time





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    Sanchez had more than 2.5 seconds on Sunday and he still didnt air it out. He had a lot of time during the game and all that was seen is the same old short/screen passes.
     
  12. Br4d

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    They took away his ability to change the play at the line of scrimmage. Everything you saw on Sunday was what Schottenheimer wanted to have happen. Presumably everything you saw was what Ryan told Schottenheimer to make happen

    Sanchez threw 26 passes without a pick. He didn't fumble the ball. He gave away no defensive scores. He didn't back the Jets up by getting sacked and creating long second and third down plays.

    He actually threw for 2 TD's, one in the red zone. He can't do a better job of what they were asking him to do on Sunday.

    Now, Dustin Keller bobbled a short pass on their first drive and they went three and out. John Conner bobbled a short pass on their second drive and they went three and out. The third drive nobody was open on third and 2 so Sanchez tried to scramble out of trouble for the first down and got caught at the line of scrimmage. Better than throwing it up to a covered guy for a possible Int, The fourth drive Sanchez completes a pass on third down to Keller in the middle. Probably 9 times out of 10 Keller can stretch that out for a first down. This time he couldn't so 4th and 1.

    That's four three and outs in a row and the Jets were struggling (as they usually are early on.) Maybe one of the three and outs was on Sanchez and that was the one where he actually completed the pass on 3rd and 8 but threw short of the marker to his only money receiver this season who doesn't line up in the backfield.

    Should things have gone better early on? Hell yeah they should but you can't lay the lack of cohesion on Sanchez. It's not his job to have the whole offense ready to play from the get-go, that one is on Brian Schotteheimer and yet again the offense was not ready to go out of the gate. Is Sanchez part of that, yeah he is, but he's only part of it.

    The failures of the offense early in games are on Brian Schottenheimer only apparently he is not accountable for how his unit plays.
     
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    I'd have a hard time laughing at any QB who won 4 road playoff their first 2 years in the league but that's just me.
     
  14. NYSackXchange

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    Sanchez don't have enough time for a deep pass play to develop. The play of the OL is a big reason for the short passes. With Mangold back, maybe things open up some.
     
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    Holy shit.... Some people just amaze me.
     
  16. bibigon

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    Four good games doesn't make a good quarterback sadly. I'd love to think Mark can just turn it on and off, but I just don't think that's the case. Good players have bad playoff games, and bad players have good playoff games. That's life in the NFL - any given sunday and all that jazz. Sanchez deserves a ton of credit for showing up big the last two years in the playoffs, but I don't think we should really count on it happening again unless he improves his regular season performance as well.

    To put another way - if he can turn it on in the playoffs/clutch spots, why's he slacking off the rest of the time?
     
  17. Br4d

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    Because Brian Schottenheimer is handcuffed during the playoffs and forced to run a solid conservative game plan and when he does that and the Jet defense produces the game often comes down to one of the last few drives and Mark Sanchez, if nothing else, is money at the end of the game?

    That's the way I see it at the moment.
     
  18. Hobbes3259

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    IN SPITE of the Coordinator.

    That Could not develop Clemens, That made Pennington an after thought, and that had to take a back seat to Bret Favre who produced a better 11 weeks, than any season under his tenure, until Favre got hurt.
     
  19. Hobbes3259

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    Sanchez is a money player. Period.

    He's the Derek Jeter of the NFL. Some guys (AROD) will put up better stats, but when the lights are on and the chips are down...He's ON.

    Something Manning never was. Schaub never is.. And Brady is, but with a system.(Brees too)
     
  20. AarontheJet

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    Uh...if there were people open he would be getting it to them. When most of the play calls don't have a man going deep, there's little chance of Sanchez "airing it out." C'mon man
     

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