JETS- 2011 problem list

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  1. laxin

    laxin Active Member

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    He had a 64.7 rating because he had 3 seconds to through the ball. Simple as that.

    Shonn Greenes tip drill caused it to go down obviously, which is a simple catch, and also the 3 or 4 other drops by RB's. Why do you ask such stupid questions?

    You do realize that 90% of the time, our WR's were covered, right? Didnt you at least hear the commentators saying, "theres another coverage sack" or "sanchez really has no where to go with the ball because everyone is covered"?

    On the point that Sanchez doesnt throw the ball over 30 yards- 3 reasons for you, all are sufficient, you pick-

    1. The receivers arent getting open (as stated before)
    2. The pass protection is shit- that includes mulligan who is a piece of garbage.
    3. Schotty is calling the plays, cmon man, of course it's gonna be a dink and dunk offense!
     
  2. IATA

    IATA Trolls

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    That is just flat out false.

    mark sanchez
    2011 - 169-298, 56.7comp%, 2081yrds, 14 td, 9int

    josh freeman
    2011 - 208-340, 61.2comp %,2174yards, 9td, 13int
     
  3. rscherwin

    rscherwin Well-Known Member

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    NEEDS
    1) LB. Scott has slowed down, and we're thin at OLB with Thomas down (and getting older)

    2) OL - especially the right side and general depth.

    3) a legitimate backup QB

    QB Play

    There are 13 QB's I would take over Sanchez. BUT we don't have a better option, and with improved OL play and defensive play, we can win with Sanchez. If you don't believe me, just look at the 4-2 road playoff record.

    Salary cap and other needs make replacing Sanchez with a "proven" better option impossible. That means we need to scour the NCAA and CFL for hidden talent that can, and will, push Sanchez. A big problem, is Sanchez has no job pressure. No sane person thinks we'd win with Brunnel - Sanchez is secure in his role. A youngster could pressure Sanchez. AND if that kind of pressure would have a negative impact on Sanchez, well then it's the same thing that happens to him when Mangold goes down. Net of this is Sanchez is an average to slightly better than average QB -- and until we have a better option, he's our QB.
     
  4. MikeSLTJ23

    MikeSLTJ23 Well-Known Member

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    The fact that it's even a fair comparison (it is) means that Sanchez isn't that good. Neither QB is going to be great in my opinion. Not being a darksider or anything as I think they can win with Sanchez, but I just don't see a top tier QB (except come playoff time for some reason). Could be the coaching, but I think he's destined to be an okay NFL starting QB.

    If the draft were today, I'd take Sanchez over Freeman, but I don't think by much. I think Freeman's team holds him back more than Sanchez's. Freeman has made some dumb decisions this year, but I think it's more because he's trying to do too much.
     
  5. MikeSLTJ23

    MikeSLTJ23 Well-Known Member

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    1) OC change. This is a must for this team to progress. We've had the same middling offense since he's been here. It doesn't improve. It doesn't show consistency ever. I guarantee the Patriots didn't figure out the Jets after one drive, but it sure seemed like they did. The players keep changing, but the offense remains stagnant no matter the names that show up.

    2) Pass rush as everyone else has pointed out. Every QB gets an hour to throw. This team needs a pass rusher in the worst way. I like Maybin (other than that gross missed sack yesterday) as our version of Elvis Dumervil. I'd love to get a top tier pass rusher in the draft if we can.

    3) Matthew Mulligan. Yeah, he's #3. By himself. I know he's a backup TE, but he's on the field too often. Maybe they need him out there, but I'd rather have ANYONE else.

    4) Safety play. What others have already stated. Every play is targeted at Smith. I'm higher on Leonhard than most, and don't think he's all that bad. Life gets a little tougher when you have to make up for the guy next to you.

    5) A stagnant running game. Is it the o-line? Is it the backs? No one can get a big play. Hell, they barely ever get more than 4 yards. I'm less and less impressed with Greene every day. I just want to see someone on the Jets break a tackle this season.

    6) Others have put Sanchez on here. I don't think he's the problem. I also don't think he's the answer. I think he's good enough for what we need him to do, but the guys around him need to step up, especially the o-line. I'm looking at you, Wayne Hunter.
     
  6. SettlerDawg

    SettlerDawg Well-Known Member

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    The number one problem the Jets currently have is at the linebacker and safety positions. Not only are these guys slow, but they also have little stamina. Some good news: most teams don't possess the type of fluid and complex offense that the Patriots have. By fluid, I mean that the Patriots can run plays quickly and everyone is on the same page. By complex, I mean that the Brady can change plays at the line, call hot routes, and call line adjustments in order to get the best possible play against what the defense is showing them. Teams like the Packers, Indy (with Manning), New Orleans, and maybe the Giants and Cowboys on a good day, also excel at this, but other than that there are no teams that can run this type of offense.

    The best way to counter that is with a linebacker who is fast and versatile, as well as a fast safety that can cover. Bart Scott is one of our highest paid players, yet he was barely on the field last night. He's a huge liability due to how slow he is, and how he gives up once he becomes gassed. Eric Smith is a solid tackler, but is extremely slow, and takes poor angles to the ball once thrown. You fix those two parts, and next year the defense is looking better. I think we're all going to be surprised how much better Wilkerson and Ellis are next year after they get an offseason to get stronger.

    On offense, Sanchez is still very inconsistent and he took many drive-ending sacks last night. He held onto the ball too long, didn't see several open receivers, and mis-fired on several occasions to wide open receivers. That being said, Sanchez has clearly improved. He's being trusted to make more throws, and he was actually doing a good job on most drives until he took a drive-ending sack or missed an open receiver. His progressions and his timing are much better than the last 2 years. Because he plays the most important position on the team, his inconsistency will be a problem by default. But he's getting better, and until he stops getting better, he will never be a problem to the future of the franchise. Fans need to be patient. Sadly, this is New York where most people watch the Yankees because they're always in the playoffs, and not because they actually like the sport of baseball.

    The offensive line is a slight problem, but then again almost every team in the league has holes in their offensive line. Wayne Hunter lets up way too many pressures. Also, D'Brick let Andre Carter run right past him way too many times last night, although part of the problem was Sanchez did not step up into the pocket. Mulligan is borderline trash.

    Schottenheimer actually called a good game last night. Receivers were getting open, and the running plays were well designed. I would of liked to run the ball more, but the Patriots had an injured secondary and the Jets were playing from behind which = more passes. At this point, I don't know what to do with Schottenheimer, he's not that big of a problem, but he's not really the solution either. Many fans hate running a complex offense, but I think it's what you need in order to win the Superbowl. A team like the Bears will never win the Superbowl with Cutler going to the line and making zero pre-snap calls. If someone like Andy Reid gets fired in the offseason, I would love to hire them to replace Schotty.
     
  7. chris5533

    chris5533 Well-Known Member

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    Dont forget Wayne Hunter is AWFUL..........
     
  8. FJF

    FJF 2018 MVP Joe Namath Award Winner

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    problems:
    schotty jr
    rex-he won't fire schotty jr
    marty schottenheimer-he fathered schotty jr
     
  9. bigmehl

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    Is that Morty Freedman ?. Yeah he had a stellar career at Yeshiva :-}
     
  10. bigmehl

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    Is that Morty Freedman ?. Yeah he had a stellar career at Yeshiva. :grin:
     
  11. Endlessly Counting

    Endlessly Counting Well-Known Member

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    Whoever plays QB for this team, I think the OC has to go. There is no reaction or adaptability in the play-calling. In fact, there seems to be a move away from the things that work

    He is hurting Sanchez. He's got him taking 3 step drops, even though at this stage of his career, he's still very indecisive. That leads to sacks and makes the line look bad.
     
  12. chris5533

    chris5533 Well-Known Member

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    great point
     
  13. vincent blake

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    Pass rush

    Nothing at all .....
     
  14. jetzIII

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    We need, we need, we need, what will be the excuse next year.
    Why can't we just have a good season throughout the year.

    Lets just watch the Packers take it all again..
    The Pats will lose in the playoffs when they play someone good.
     
  15. GQMartin

    GQMartin Go 'Cuse

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    This is an excellent post. I recommend reading it. I edited the part about Schottenheimer because I disagree. I think the offense needs a facelift.


    Also, I pointed out in another thread, the Jets telegraph the plays they are when Bart Scott, Harris, etc. are on the field.


    Your point about having versatile linebackers who have excellent stamina to play 3 downs is imperative in Rex's defensive scheme.
     
  16. Fatman&Robin

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    If you have a problem with the draft philosophy, it should be the LACK of picks if anything. The only project we've taken is Vlad recently (every pick past the 3rd round can be considered projects---otherwise they'd be first/second rouners). We've gone years with only 3-4 picks per draft and its killing us depth wise, its that simple. That is the problem with the draft philosophy.
     
  17. KOZ

    KOZ Totally Addicted

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    1) Gameplanning
    2) Coaching
    3) Execution
     
  18. DemoIsland

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    The #1 problem is Shittenheimer. Its time the franchise recognizes this.
     
  19. stinkyB

    stinkyB 2009 Best Avatar Award Winner

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    Good Post, but I disagree w/ Schotty's gamecalling.
    The running game was working, then they go to an empty bf shotgun..... and repeatedly did this despite Sanchez getting knocked on his ass.
    Many of the pass plays were short and not attacking their lack of secondary personnel downfield. Granted Sanchez looked shaky and inaccurate with those throws at times, but at least show the threat, which could open running room and underneath stuff again.
    I agree with most everything else.

    2011 weaknesses:
    Safeties and LBs....... can hit, but can't cover. That's why good TEs have a field day. Some versatile young blood is needed. The Pats no huddle exposed this...... also Should've kept Lowery as a rotational guy imo.

    OLine ain't what it used to be. Yes we got spoiled the past few years, but obviously hunter isn't getting it done. Slauson is just fair, and Moore isn't getting younger (and not good enough to make up for poor play next to him)
    Draft new young talent, like they did with the Dline this year. Your team will always be competitive if you're strong in the trenches.

    WR: Deep threat. Last year there was the debate between keeping Brylon or Tone. Many (myself included) thought Holmes was a more dynamic player, but Edwards was a better fit for this team. I still feel this way.
    Downfield stats support this somewhat (albeit skewed by reduced pass protection) Santonio is a good player, but seems limited to his strengths (quick hits/ slants YAC) Plaxico is starting to turn it on, but he's no longer quick enough to be that big downfield target.

    QB / OC: is it the chicken or the Egg? People have had issues with schott when Sanchez was still at USC so....... Sanchez is very inconsistent, looking clutch as hell one game, then happy feet/poor reads the next. Even when he plays well, He seems to make the easy look hard instead of the other way around.
    My problem with Schott is that he usually wants to overthink the play calls, instead of taking what the defense is giving him / attacking a clear weakness. This has been a consistent factor the past 2 QBs.
    Time to plug in a new OC and see how this is going to shape up long term.
     
  20. stinkyB

    stinkyB 2009 Best Avatar Award Winner

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    and it's not getting better soon :eek:hmy:
     

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