This argument is no different then me claiming that Sanchez led the league in dropped interceptions last season with 11. Both are meaningless. No argument that he has made big plays in crunch time his first two years but overall, he is nothing more then an average QB who needs to grow up. If he continues his current course, he won't have an opportunity to make big plays in January.
Nice tie in to attempt to make your stupid and laughable point appear less stupid, but no one is going to buy that and will still think you're a retard for bringing that up. this is a tangible problem which has rippling effects throughout the offense. lazy route running and giving up on plays/stopping routes is nothing like trying to make a point about dropped interceptions. gtfo and let people who actually know something about this team discuss this
I think it is pretty obvious to anyone that can read basic body language that Plax and Holmes mail it in from time to time. Braylon did the same thing. It goes to the point that the constant revolving door at WR makes staying on the same page difficult. There are a lot of excuses/reasons for the offense looking bad. This is a small part of it. I suppose it is the price you have to pay to have diva WR's.
Let me make it easy for you to understand. Sanchez' decision making has nothing to do with Plax and Holmes. That's a separate issue. Blaming Them for Sanchez' shortcomings is moronic but those who do.... oh wait a minute. I forgot I am addressing one. See I can act like an idiot to. Nowif you care to debate it I am all for it. But if you are one of the Jets fans who are generalized by most around the NFL as one who must substitute their lack of knowledge with insults, we have fans like you you can fight with. I'll pass.
I think the Jets messed up letting Cotch and Edwards go. Each understood their role in the offense and they all worked well together. The chemistry could be hurting the WR corps as well. Lack of involvement, two number 1's wanting the ball and Rex wanting to run more can't bode well. No doubt that it starts with the OL which is nowhere as good as it was last year.
this thread is about the offense. you made it clear you didn't even bother to read the entire post, which is why you warranted that response. Or you choose to troll by focusing on 1 particular aspect of it and tying it to the retarded and tired claim about dropped INTs that dolphins fans are obsessed with. You obviously don't watch the team, so you have no idea of the context of it. You attempting to bring up a tired subject to somehow make yourself look better on an asinine point. Write some coherent and relevant thoughts, and people will treat you like you do. When WRs mail it in, that effect the whole team, and yes, the quarterback.
No doubt we have a certain level of "divaness" with our WR corp. But it also cannot be ignored that Sanchez misses open receivers a lot. These divas make money based on what their stats look like. If you had someone at your job who made your performance look worse because he sucked at his job, you would eventually get frustrated with him as well. It cant be denied that Plax and Santonio have made obvious gestures on teh filed that shows their frustrations with Sanchez. Is it right to be demonstrative? No. Does it help teh team? Probably not. Is it human nature? Yup
What pisses me off with Holmes is his unprofessionalism where be starts throwing his arms in the air and rips his helmet off like he did on Thursday. Yeah we get it your pissed but no need to show up anyone when you have had multiple mess ups as a Jet. However I can see the WRs not looking like they are running hard but that comes with territory when you bring in Super Bowl winning WRs.
This is quite possibly one of the dumbest statements I have ever heard! They are making millions of dollars to play a game I pay to play! It's their fkng job to run hard every play!
IMHO it's safe to say that Plax woon't be back next year. We need a big receiver who stretches the field. Plax is pretty good for when you are inside the 20.
Yes, I agree some of that diva shit, frustration is most certainly directed @ Sanchez, there is no doubt in my mind. I should have made that clear in my post.
If anyone looks at that play repeatedly as I did the ball was out of Sanchez's hand before Plax completed his route. When Plax came out of his break Goodman already had his hands on the ball.
people should take a message from this. When your teammates, which include Super Bowl winning WR's (3 before Mason gave a blatantly honest assessment and was kicked out) gives up on your QB it's not the team. It's the QB. Sanchez is supposed to be the rock of the offense but is letting his team down not with his physical play but his mental. Dude is a headcase.
Plax is lazy, any Giant fan could of told you that. He also loves to carry the ball away from his body. It hasen't cost a fumble yet, but it will. At this point in his career and after the layoff he's good for that over the shoulder fade route and little else.
wait a second, are there people in this thread saying that guys shouldnt go all out every play? are you fucking kidding me? see this is the difference between guys like jerry rice and wes welker and the group that we have and guys like randy moss. those guys go hard every play, the other guys go hard when they want to or feel like it. for all the money these fucking whiny cunts make and all the bitching they do they better be worn the fuck out at the end of the game. but we are going to give them a break and say they cant go hard every play or they would get gassed. holy shit i cant even believe i read that horseshit.. i dont know when it became ok for guys to half ass it for whatever reason.
gotta agree with you here bro. i don't know why people are trying to justify it. even though cotchery left on his own accord, and chances are his injury has made him much less effective, he was a guy who never dogged it. we need guys like that
How the hell can you ask 2 superbowl winning wr's to not be upset when they are smoking db's and not getting the ball. The qb has no feel for the pocket, does not go through read progressions and telegraphs. QB has to take some blame. Damn I miss Parcells. At least he will tell Sanchez to his face. Fix it or you are out. He will tell the media that right now Sanchez sucks. The babying him shit will stop. Maybe Sanchez should have some sort of "EGO". I don't mind losing a fight. But when your buddy runs out on you in the middle of battle we all know the neighborhood will look at your buddy funny. Sanchez is getting the funny looks in that locker room.
Thanks very much. And, I usually lurk, but I keep telling myself I'm going to start posting more. And, I don't blame you, I usually avoid post game stuff when we lose like this, too, but, at this point... I wanted to know WTF people were going to be saying. Because, I mean... Thanks. And, right? And, in Denver, Holmes has slightly different/difficult issues adjusting, due to his sickle cell trait-- he doesn't have full blown anemia, but carries the trait, and people who carry the trait, are still susceptible to things like cramping easier/quicker, breathing or asthma like systems in certain conditions, potentially slower rebound times when recovering... Tone had a breathing issue last time we played there, and the team gave him a special inhaler for the bench, and he also had to take oxygen, and he had to be in the locker room pregame longer than usual because he was having such a breathing issue outside... It's all related to the Denver air quality. I don't know if they took all of the same precautions this time, but, I'm pretty sure it was reported by NFLN he was on oxygen, at the very least, etc., in this game, as well. Not making excuses for him, just providing a full context, that adjusting to Denver is tougher for him, and impacts him a bit worse than what you'd expect under "average" circumstances for other players, and he was on a short week, on top of it. Pretty sure it's documented back to his Steelers days. Remember how bad it can be... Ryan Clark played in Denver with sickle cell, I think he has full blown anemia, though, and a different circumstance on top of that? But, he got so ill, due to a sickle cell complication, he wound up getting his spleen and gall bladder? removed after adversely reacting to playing a game there, and didn't play another game that season for the Steelers. And after that, they quit taking/traveling him to games they play in Denver. So... Again, not making excuses, just giving full disclosure on why Tone may not have looked the same, had the same explosiveness, when we played there. Pretty sure it's difficult for him there. On the topic of frustration showing... I might be in the minority, but the guys are human, and competitive, and frustrations showing, imo, are natural, and I don't think, at least with Tone, that he's trying to show Mark up. I really don't. I think he just gets frustrated in general. Jimmy Leonhard was on that Versus awhile back, and talked about how they all know Tone's highly competitive, emotional, and Jimmy said, in regards to players on the offensive side of the ball, he's most like Rex with his competitiveness, emotions, and passion, and also his ability to be incredibly brash with what he says, at times, and his frustrations showing, and they get it, and expect it, etc. And honestly, Mark can be very demonstrative, as well. Let's not deny, if Keller or Tone mess up a route, miss an audible, if they drop a ball, Mark absolutely can and will at times, be visibly upset with them, throw his arms up, motion to where they should have been, shake his head, etc., not always, but at times. If he's really fired up, he even gets in their faces, I think he reserves that special brand of frustration for Tone and Keller, and maybe a couple of others, though... But, I think that's okay when you have a certain type of relationship/dynamic with the guy you play with. Tone and Mark and Keller have all gone on record saying something to that effect. That people get frustrated, and that's okay, in the heat of the moment, they know they're all trying to win, and they have the team's best interest at heart. I mean, after that botched whatever it was that Mark threw to Keller at the end of the half, when Rex and Schotty were, at least Schotty, was having a borderline meltdown on Mark, and an opportunity for us to get a field goal was wasted, Tone walked right up to the situation, and showed Mark love, and hit him on the chest. Just like when Mark threw the interception in Buffalo, and Tone was the one on the sideline that was building Mark up, while Mark was venting... I just think certain player dynamics allow for certain things, on top of everything. It's not as easy as, so and so's a jerk, because they showed they're frustrated, they must be a bad teammate, or whatever else. Adam Schein talked about how frustrations manifest and sometimes visibly show, a couple weeks ago, after he'd had Mark on Sirius Blitz. And, while he didn't say Mark said it, because I'm sure Mark wouldn't, he did say, he didn't think all WRs who are "high maintenance or diva" are the same, and it's not fair to label them together. Then he went on to say, he didn't think there was the same type of dynamic with Plax, because one, it's not give and take with Plax. Mark won't (at least to that point, he wouldn't) "get on" Plax like he would Tone or Keller if they mess up, but Plax will show his frustrations about an errant ball very visibly, so it's just not a two way street there... And, Schein says, everyone you talk to on and off the record knows how badly Tone just wants to win, and do whatever he can to help the team win, whatever that takes... Adam said, he thinks Plax doesn't have the exact same agenda as others, necessarily, because he's playing for a contract, so when he shows frustration... It's different, and it's not necessarily driven from a place of team goals and about winning, the same way it is for the others. Adam said, on top of it being difficult right now to be a skill player in this offense, those are also huge distinctions to be drawn when calling guys out for being frustrated, and it showing, and I also agree with that, personally. I understand if that's just me, though.
