4 second pass plays. Period. Every route, and every route combination took all day to develop, which ignores the reality of the modern NFL. Tom Brady isn't great, but they don't ask him to hold the ball. They ask him to get 5 yards on a pass play, and he's (like most NFL quarterbacks should be) really fucking good at it. Go back and revisit his deep ball stats, they suck.... (Which is exactly why Rex knows how to beat him, because he takes away the underneath stuff) The modern NFL because of the rules is 5-8 yard routes, to get out of the chuck, and keep the chains moving, and get rid of the ball in three seconds to negate pass rushers. FCOL, it's not rocket science. You'll know if Sparano gets this, when he faces SuperMario. 4/3 defensive linemen should be dinosaurs, the way the rules are constructed.
Sanchez had all day. Look at the lane...Mark is good on his feet, it's one of his strengths. He's got an Interstate lane to run forward, but DOESN'T. And McKnight STOPS, 2 yards short of the marker, which is what makes me think thats the design of the play. Quick Cutter/screen 6 yards, first down. Instead of... 'go beat your guy' which McKnight clearly had. And when the LDE is outside of Sanchez, if McKnight runs a GO, there are only 2 outcomes. Mark runs for the first down. Or throws a TD.
Sanchez is good on his feet, and I'll give you the go route with McKnight if he recognizes / beats his man. But no way Sanchez runs for a first down here. Not a chance in hell. There are 4 defenders and 10+ yards between him and first down.
Better than Hackett? You're stoned. Under Hackett, they finished, 22,24,19,12. Under Schitty, they went 25,26,16, 20,11,25.
I believe I clarified this already. 1. Yes. the defender turned his hip inside. That means he will use the sideline as the extra defender, and he will take away the post route, knowing, since the Jets are playing from the right hash mark, McKnight doesn't have enough space for corner route even if he tries. Don't even mention there was another DB sitting in a zone there. (He eventually tackled Keller in actual play.) Obviously the defense respected McKnight's speed - that's all there is to it. He turned his hip inside and backpedaled like he did, knowing he had underneath help (and he did have that help, as the play shows.) So McKnight wasn't really open. If the ball went there, it would have been intercepted. (That's high-low bracket.) All in all, this is a quarterbacking 101. When you have a defender deeper than your deep receiver, you don't throw there. Rather, there is a specific criteria for a deep pass attempt: a) your WR should be either parallel with the DB or beyond. b) he should be OUTSIDE. c) the pass should be catch-able at 35-45 yard range. From these criteria, we get no-go from a) right off the bat. (The defender is way deeper.) If McKnight went on a full go, Keller would have been in single coverage however - that's one call you can make out of it, and if Keller ran a quick out route (clearance concept) then that play SHOULD have made it to the first down marker. Or if the DB sat in the zone, trying to cover Keller, then you know McKnight is on 1-on-1. That zone DB is stretched vertically, and can't cover them both. (If the play design involved overloading one side or the other to place the zone DB in no-man's land, that would have been optimal - but then that's not how Schottenheimer operates.) Of course, hindsight is a precise science; I can say these things now, knowing what Patriots played. That said, the play design is still inexcusable. That I agree. 2. So is it one of these designs that picked on-and-on-and-on unjustly? Like I said, this one does get picked a lot, but it's one of the multitudes of Schottenheimer ineptitude. Make no mistake about it. Offensive stupidity in either philosophy (TJ owning the Raiders and still losing), design (that one above for instance) or execution are all much too galore in Schottenheimer's tenure with the Jets.
right... and NONE of those guys are assigned to help wayne hunter block his guy... you know cause why would you want to give help to your worst pass blocking tackle on a play with 1 WR throwing out of your own endzone? and id calling it 1.5 options, since the back was a delayed release
his other option was???? safety on an intentional grounding throwing to the ZERO other eligible options on the play? floating one to the back who was being jammed/blocked after a fake and delayed route? i dont have an image, but if you rewind the play, the back is sill being held up and not even near his route, and sanchez is in his endzone being pressure from both sides. its a terrible play call. especially when you consider that holmes is running a deep crossing route over the middle. right into the teeth of like 4 defenders who have no one else to cover. other then just sending holmes on a deep fly and hoping for some luck, this play had no chance. but it all boils down to this. whats the BEST CASE scenario for this play? a throw away? sanchez scrambling and throwing it out of bounds? holmes beating triple coverage? a dropped int? why would you call a play where the best case scenario isnt even a likely completion?
its not a bad playcall... its an inexcusable nonsensical play call. when the worst option on a play is to actually throw it to the only eligible downfield reciever, there is something seriously flawed at work. read that again. the WORST option on a PASS PLAY was to actually PASS the ball!!! the best options we have come up with were: - tuck and dive and HOPE you dont get a safety - scramble from 4 yards deep in your endzone across your body with defenders having set the edge already - throw it away and hope its not called grounding - float it to the guy with the worst hands on the team who is heavily covered and hope its not picked or grounding those are the BEST case options! if you dont have an issue where the best case options include "diving forward and hoping its not a safety" then something is wrong
I don't really want to argue the point since we agree on the substance, but there are 10 defensive players on the LoS. You cannot really be thinking that the single high safety is outside the numbers on McKnights side? (My Money says he's looking to go over the top on Holmes.) The FS is almost def. in the middle of the field, to effect a high low bracket (just in case) but a ball thrown on the sideline to a running McKnight would still have MCKnight on the outside of both players, with the safety having (at best) a bead on him...
If the DB was expecting help from the deep high safety, he would have taken away the corner route and reroute the deep WR to the center of the field, where he can double up on him with the FS - here, it's sideway bracket - which he did not. So it stands to reason that the FS was staying between the hashes. Watch the clip again - especially at the lower right hand side corner. As the play progresses, you will notice that there is a zone DB sitting there watching Sanchez. He made the tackle to Keller as Keller was in his zone. If McKnight went deep, either he got 1-on-1 or that zone DB would have undercut McKnight (this is where the low bracket kicks in.) And, like I said above, McKnight on the go route was doomed to failure from the start. Actually, if you look at the WR corp, McKnight was the only one with a home run threat (with speed) so Belichick plays correctly with the DB backpedaling way back, giving the necessary cushion. (Knowing that cheating bastard, I am inclined to think that, if McKnight went on a go route, he would have been bracketed) Sure, McKnight could still outrun the DB and get open. Now the question boils down to: where in range will that happen? I specifically gave you a range number for that (35-45 yard). With 10 yard cushion, it's more than likely that McKnight will have to run more than that to outrun the DB. That's out of range for most QBs. This is why you don't throw deep when the defender is staying deeper than your deep receiver. Now, Plax on the other side is a whole new monster. Sanchez initially was watching that side, then came back to the right. This is a very, VERY poor discipline on Sanchez's side. In any given pass, the sight adjustment should be toward the FRONT, not to the left or right. You must never telegraph your passes. Now, since Sanchez was WATCHING left, Plax option is literally gone. If Sanchez throws to his left now, that's a guaranteed pick. Watch how the DBs on the left are all backpedaling but watching Sanchez all the time. Pass attempt to the left was completely doomed to failure. (Fuck you, Cav.) Ok... I don't know if Sanchez was INSTRUCTED to watch left then pass right (to fake) or he just was staring down on Plax then moved down on the progress ladder. It could really be either but whatever the case is, the only clear thing is that, the QB, the QB coach and the OC all fucked up in biblical proportion. I am saying this because the step count and the route Plax ran just do not add up. Say, in any given WCO type passing play (which Schottenheimer does not run - but I am bringing it in just for the sake of argument.) if Sanchez turned left after first step, the ball goes out. That is a quick hitter play. [Note: in any conventional offense scheme, you are not instructed to open up like that. You must keep your sight steady, right to the front at all times. Also, take a notice on how Sanchez is positioning himself. If he was merely giving Plax a look then turned, it wouldn't have been this bad. As it happened, Sanchez was 1. looking left and 2. his body was opening up for a throw to the left. This is a telegraph sign screaming out "If you don't cover now, the pass is definitely coming to the left side." This is a colossal fuck up of a footwork and other related fundamentals by Sanchez.] Now what route is Plax running? He is not running anything quick. (Hitch/Quick out/slant/etc) So to justify Sanchez immediately turning left (actually, as he was TAKING the snap - that's a bad business no matter how you slice it.) you have to see the route the guys on the left were running. Now, the route both guys are running says it's not a short pass that is coming. (It is 3rd and 6 after all.) So then the question, again, boils down to, why in the hell did Sanchez commit to the left so immediately? He didn't even give his receivers a chance to do their thing with the route. He was so fully committed to the left AT THE SNAP that, by the time he turned to right, the receivers still didn't clear the first down marker. Say what you will about designs (which is idiotic by the way) but you cannot deny that Sanchez did his best to fail this try as well. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- To sum it up: 1. Ok. Schottenheimer is the prime evil on this one. This play design is so stupid that a dog laughs at it. 2. That said, Sanchez did his best to fail too. It was good thing that the pass wasn't picked.
I hate to say this, I really do, but this is one point that makes me wonder from time to time. Favre was lighting it up before his injury. Still, I like the approach of Sparano, it fits this era of the jets much better.
Didnt Brees suffer under Schotty in San Diego and the year when he arrived in New Orleans he had a career #s? Same with Rivers in 2006 he was with Schotty, then in 2007 post-schotty he improved a lot more. Granted he was a rookie in 2006.
You don't think that the "Show left, throw right" Was part of the play design? Based on the lackadaisical route that Plax ran, And the pick/block being setup on the near side by McKnight, I'd say this was all designed and Shotty being, "Smarter" then the defense. "Mark when you get the snap, Stare down Plax as he walks his route. Once the defense knows you can't throw to that side, Come back to the right and hit the guy I have doing a curl 3 yards in front of the marker, Defense will never know what hit them" -BS
if i recall correctly, schotty tried to do that stuff all the time, so i wouldnt put it past him on this play. and everyone in the huddle probably knew the ball was going to keller with mcknight set up to seal the edge and let keller get to the sideline. if thats the case, stupid play because there are no clearouts and all the defenders are hovering around the marker blanketing our receivers. the sad thing is that, while this might be one of the more talked about plays, these sorts of flaws were inherent in schottys system, which is, at least in my opinion, what people hated so much about him.
:lol: Thread should have ended right there. Offense will be better, question is how much better. I dont think we'll take that big leap until we have a great RB. But that could be McKnight though.
Damn Zach you know your shit. Do you coach? I only ask cuz that paragraph sounds soo much like my freshman coach, and eventually JV after I left. But he was the smartest coach I ever had (which isn't sayin much). Fuckin Asshole too lol, I swear to God he got off on making us feel dumb, but smart as all hell.
I didn't exclude that possibility for a reason. Whatever the deal is, just look at how crappy that design is. If the primary target was Keller, he ( = Schottenheimer)could draw up simple triangle on the strong side with Holmes as the primary read there (mid range dig or out will do), with Keller and McKnight on a smash pattern. Since the back (or 5th receiver) is motioning to the left (or the far side) the deep safety will be forced to roll to that side, and that will also drag one of the LBs from the middle to the left. With Smash pattern, the zone DB will be stretched vertically - either hitch to McKnight or corner to Keller. If they still leave three DBs on the smash, you know you have 1-on-1 on at least one of the three targets on your left. (Or Sanchez is not accounted for - that's a no-no for any defense.) Or, you can flood the strong side, and leave Keller and McKnight in smash. If everybody leaves the middle of the field, that's a lot of green grass for Sanchez to run up for. (The point is, the defense cannot cover every ground if the offense has sound schemes - especially the shaky ones like the Pats defense. On top of that, both flood to the left and smash to the right give Sanchez real easy reads, and he can decide to tuck it in and run with it after holding the ball long enough, if it does come down to it.) Block by McKnight. And we are not even talking about bubble screen (or anything with half semblance of anything screen, for that matter.) Just what kind of stupidity is this bullshit? No, I don't coach. I'm one of those armchair coaches. But I'll accept the compliment. Thank you.
