Quarterback gurus: Tim Tebow can be fixed

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  1. catsigater

    catsigater New Member

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    Granted, anyone who calls himself a guru has a vested interest in saying they can fix Tebow.

    Still a fairly objective evaluation, IMO.

     
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  3. catsigater

    catsigater New Member

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    Best-case (fantastical) scenario Jags owner throws a bunch of money at Chip Kelly and tells him he's getting Tebow as the presumptive (not guaranteed) starter.
     
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    catsigater New Member

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    As do you, troll.
     
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    Same story for the past 10 years...and yet he still sucks...
     
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    I'm pretty sure that would convince Chip Kelly to stay at Oregon.
     
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    I've said time and again that the biggest reason Tebow's accuracy has suffered in the NFL is because he has tried to change the throwing motion that he knew forever and had ultimate success with, and now he's got a "franken-motion" that is, quite frankly, confused.

    The question of his completion % in the NFL is partly related to Tebow's franken-motion issues, but it also has a lot to do with the ridiculous playcalling for him in Denver last year, with the crazy high run/pass ratio and minimal use of tight ends and throwing to his backs.

    Regarding a coach who will really suit Tebow, I believe even Urban Meyer has said again and again that Tebow wasn't going to be great in a traditional drop-back passing offensive system, but that he could be great in the NFL in a spread option system like he ran at Florida, if a coach is willing to go all in with him in that role. For the record, I agree with him. I think he can improve as a pocket passer, but he's probably never going to be Brady just standing around in the pocket. For that matter, most QB's are never going to be Brady. But I'm not sure why you would want Tebow to just be a pocket passer when he brings so much more to the table with his running abilities and size. Meyer said that Tebow ran the spread option as well or better than anyone in NCAA history. Whether it's Chip Kelly or some other college coach who ran a successful spread option system in College, it certainly makes sense that they would be intrigued by the possibility of having one of the best spread option QB's in NCAA history be their QB in the NFL.
     
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    To your bold, the NFL rules favor greatly pocket passers over running QBs. In the pocket, the QB is protected from the neck down to the knees. Anything outside that area is a flag. When running, and the QB doesn't slide (as most running QBs don') they are up to be hit everywhere. Getting constantly hit, shortens a career for skill players. It's why running backs come and go and only the top ones perform at a high level for a long time. Also, I haven't even talked about the way defensive holding and how PI is called. Add in the illegal pick plays that aren't called and the offensive PI that wide receivers can get, it favors you greatly if your QB can be a great pocket passer. Sure it favors you even more if that QB can take off and book it while being a good pocket passer, but that's RGIII. All the rules favor pocket passers, that's why you would want a pocket passer.
     
  9. Yisman

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    Be nice if he were given a chance. He'd surely be better than Sanchez.
     
  10. Organized Chaos

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    Sanchez is worse, and you thought Sanchez should start over him. :rofl:
     
  11. sunbeam

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    That seems to be acceptable for a running back, but not a quarterback. Why is that exactly?

    Look I think the jury is still out on whether qb's get hurt more in the pocket or running. If you have some stats on this I would like to see them.

    But if you go to the spread option, I think a lot of things that haven't been common in the NFL could be used. Multiple qb's splitting up the snaps for one. No one has a beef with a team rotating in running backs, why not qb's?

    I know everyone is used to qb's being a resource that is ultra rare, but colleges are putting out a ton of guys who could play qb in the spread option even in the pros.

    As for the rest of it, we'll have to see. I tend to think that by the very nature of it, 11 on 11, that there isn't a whole lot the defense can scheme about.

    Sooner or later Chip Kelly, or another guy that is committed to the spread comes to the NFL. I hope Tebow gets a shot with a team that decides to try it.

    Just to be honest, there are multiple ways to run the spread with an emphasis on running. Chip Kelly has one, there are others. And I have read an article somewhere in which Chip Kelly was skeptical of Tebow fitting into his offense. It wasn't more than one or two sentences about what he wanted from his quarterbacks and "not Tebow."

    You can also run a spread in the NFL that Tebow can do very well in, whether he "fixes" his throwing motion or not.

    As regards the qb's lasting... Heck most of them never stick or are out of the league in a few years. Some get hurt and go out, or are never the same.

    I can see a situation where qb's come in, burn like a flame for a few years, then follow a career path like most rb's.

    I wasn't a Florida fan when he was in college, but I can tell you that Tebow is probably the most durable guy I've seen run that.

    Someone else in another thread here said that Kaepernick was a lot more athletic than Tebow. Really? If you said Cam Newton, yeah. RG III in a lot of ways. I'd like to see the combine numbers on Tebow and Kaepernick. My hunch is that Tebow's are comparable or better when it just comes to athleticism.

    Christ if he had decided to become a running back I think he could have done very well at it. If he decided to become a tight end I think he could do it very well too.

    If he had moved to linebacker in college I think he could have made the league as a lb.

    Whether Tim Tebow every becomes a great qb is up in the air, even to me.

    But I don't think a lot of you know what you are looking at. His athleticism is not in question. I do think he needs to drop the weight Sexxy Rexxy had him put on. Guess Rexx likes them plump.
     
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    Sanchez is the worst QB in the league. Tebow isn't a QB.
     
  13. Yisman

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    All we have to go on is his high school career, his college career, and last season.

    If he's as bad as everyone claims he is, he should be given a chance to fail.

    I'm pretty damn sure the Jets would have a better record had Tebow started this season, because Tebow doesn't turn it over nearly as much as Sanchez.

    With Sanchez starting, the Jets have had the 30th ranked offense in the NFL (according to DVOA). Last season, Denver was 23rd in offense, and that includes the non-Tebow games before he was made the starter, which drags it down.
     
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    Truth. I've said before that the Jets would have made the playoffs with Trent Dilfer starting. The turnovers alone killed them in several games. A few field goals instead of turnovers put the Jets at 10-6.
     
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    Kap 40: 4.53 seconds
    Kap Vert: 32.5 Inches
    Kap Broad Jump: 115 Inches
    Kap Cone Drill: 6.85
    Kap 20 yard shuttle: 4.18 seconds

    Tebow 40: 4.72 Seconds
    Tebow Vert: 38.5 Inches
    Tebow Broad jump: 115 inches
    Tebow cone drill : 6.66
    Tebow 20 yard shuttle: 4.17 seconds

    Thats all i could find that where they did the same thing. Not sure about bench and all that but strength doesnt mean much for a qb. look at brady's arms... my 12 year old has bigger biceps.
     
  16. Fightin'JetTitan

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    Best reply EVER posted in the "Te-blowmania" Forum!
     

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