Why Mangini Doesn't Want Mawae

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  1. GSourJr

    GSourJr New Member

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    When you look at what the Jets will save when the release Mawae, it doesn't add up.

    Sure, he's 35, but still productive enough to anchor this line through the next transition, and savvy enough to groom a rookie center.

    Yes, he's coming off an injury, but to his tricep, not his legs. In fact, not play 3/4 of the season probably recharged his batteries.

    So why doesn't Eric want Kevin?

    IMO, Mangini knows that Mawae doesn't suffer rookies easily -- be they quarterbacks or coaches -- and I believe he feared Kevin might be a contrary voice in the locker room.

    I hope I wrong, I may be wrong. But if I'm right, this kind of chickenshit move is not a good sign.
     
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    Nice creative writing.
     
  3. GreenHornet

    GreenHornet New Member

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    This is purely a business move. Kevin could easily fulcrum our offensive line for the next 2 seasons, perhaps with an increasingly less mobile role. I do not see personalities having anything to do with this.

    Technically, Mawae is not cut yet. The cap may get signed this weekend and if there is more cap space I believe Mawae stays.
     
  4. GSourJr

    GSourJr New Member

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    Maybe, but it will be interesting to see how many of Mangini's contemporaries (agewise) remain on the team.

    Martin's back, but he's as quiet as mouse.
     
  5. GreenHornet

    GreenHornet New Member

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    That has always been Martin's modis aperendi. I wouln't read into that too much. Right now, I think this whole this hinges on where the cap winds up.

    This situation along with the dozens of others league wide is really a black mark on the players union as well as the nfl for not getting this done and meeting the deadline. They can't keep giving out extensions; the fiscal year must roll over.
     
  6. vilmatic

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    he mentioned in his letter that he has always helped mentor and groom, and I believe that, at least among the linemen. Frankly, I think you're right on, he would be a great way to transition to the next group.
     
  7. I think there are a few reasons for Mawae Departing..

    1. His cap # may not be high, but his release is nonetheless a sure way of getting younger and freeing up some/any space.

    2. Mangini wants a completely new mentality in terms of leadership,how players carry themselves,etc. Mawae is the most outspoken leader on our team, removing him means he can truly reshape the mentality,from pretty much top to bottom.

    3.Mangini wants to completely rebuild the OL. Mawae kind of holds back that concept,"grooming young players" aside.
     
  8. GreenHornet

    GreenHornet New Member

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    I just hope that everyone on the board understands that when you say good-bye to your center, you are committed to going in an entirely different direction offensively. With that said, do not be surprized if we struggle offensively for at least the first 6 games of the year next year. It really takes a new offensive line a while to gel together. 6 games is probably being optimistic.
     
  9. DeathByJets

    DeathByJets Well-Known Member

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    Maybe it is just me....but I think Mawae's performance has been slipping the last couple of years (yes.....I know Martin was the leading rusher in 2004). He was a really good player, but he is getting up there in years and it is reasonable to expect his performance to continue to decline. I just think this is a case where he is getting respect based upon reputation, rather than "what have you done for me lately".

    DbJ
     
  10. MawaesDaMan

    MawaesDaMan New Member

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    I dont really get it personally. I spoke with Mawae at his charity thing last year at Winthrop Hospital, and he was praising Adrian Jones, saying he was ready and it seemed like he was personally proud that Jones was going to be the guy. I always though he added a stability and toughness to the line. Coaches are key, but they are not on the field in between plays, in the huddle, calling blocking assignments at the line. Kevin may have slowed a step, but his toughness, leadership, and ability will be missed. I will still wear my 68 jersety to the games with pride. He was a great Jet.
     
  11. Green Guy

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    Mawae has been one of the MOUTHS of our locker room during the Herm regime. I agree, most of the decision has to do with cap and age, but I agree with the thread that I wouldn't put it past the new regime to PURGE the older guys who are the "Herm Guys."

    Remember, Mangini wants to do it HIS WAY, and a guy like Mawae has always spoken out about what he thinks. I think Mangini wants to develop his own leaders.

    I wish Mawae well wherever he goes...he was one of the best players the Jets ever had.
     
  12. jaywayne12

    jaywayne12 Well-Known Member

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    First off, let me just say that Kevin was a great great Jet...and a great player in the NFL.

    For the right team...Kevin will probably still compete well.

    With that said, isnt it possible that EM, who was able to see alot of KM over the last 5 years saw a center that was still agile but didnt have that strong presence for runs up the middle anymore..in fact if Kevin had a weakness..it was near the goal line where big tackles have had their way with the Jets the last 5 or 6 years.

    With the injury he suffered...Im sure its possible that EM thought Kevin would be even less of a force up the middle.

    When rebuilding a team and thats what we are doing, EM may have been thinking that by the time this program is back on track...2 years..3 years..it would be time to replace KM anyway...why not get the ball rolling now.
     
  13. Bear66

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    Kevin is exactly the type of player the "New" JETS said they want. He is Smart, Hard Working, Highest Character. Could be that Mangini, who game planned against him, sees something we don't. We can't forget that he truly knows our Offensive Strenths and Weaknesses.
     
  14. baamf

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    Wow, you just typed exactly what I was thinking. We can't forget that the Pats are very versed in the weaknesses in our offense, I'm given EM the benefit of the doubt here even though I totally appreciate the time that Kevin gave us here....
     
  15. Jetzz

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    Or maybe.... just maybe... they are planning on bringing back Penny for one more rebuilding season where, pulling our all-pro center out of the lineup (off the team) will allow some big 300 lb lineman to come and finish the job on poor Penny. :) j/k

    I have no idea why this is happening, but would guess it is related to one of those aspects we don't have an inside peek to - behind the magic NFL curtain. Where things are often not always as they appear.
     
  16. O'Brien7

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    Mangini got wind of Mawae bad-mouthing Chad and does not want a player like that. Kendall will be gone soon to.
     
  17. jaywayne12

    jaywayne12 Well-Known Member

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    Come on baamf...your surprised that you and I are thinking alike? AGAIN?!
     
  18. Carpetbagger

    Carpetbagger Well-Known Member

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    We brought in Mangini to try and build our franchise like the Pats have built up their dynasty. That involves cutting ties with guys that have high cap numbers, or are just sliding down in their career. A tricep tear is a serious injury for a lineman, and at 35, you can't spend 4 million dollars in faith that he will come back to the same form.
     
  19. jixxjr

    jixxjr Well-Known Member

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    To be honest, I think that we're in the process of building a team that will be competitive 3 to 5 years down the road and to remain competitive for years to come. That said, I feel that any player on our team that is over 30 has a bulls-eye on his back. Gentlemen, we're gonna be getting younger, faster, and hungrier.
     
  20. Johnny4

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    First. Let me say releasing Mawae is a mistake. In his first press conference, Mangini stated he wanted tough, smart team football players. Who fits this bill more than Mawae? That being said, I know why Mawae is gone. When Al Groh was the coach and started riding the players, Mawae was the team mouthpiece and plated alot of seeds in the media about Groh. Mangini wants everyone in line on day one. Mawae isn't that type of guy.
     

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