Well, now that the first quarter of the Jets season has played out, I wanted to share a few thoughts on where this team stand, in my own humble opinion. First of all, I like what I've seen from Geno Smith, as far as long term outlook. I know he has been prone to turning the ball over, but remember he is a rookie. He can make every throw in the book with that cannon hanging off his shoulder. And he has shown he can be accurate with his throws much of the time. The rookie mistakes are just that, and as he gains experience, he will weed those out. I am of the opinion that we have finally landed a franchise QB for the next decade or so, provided he does progress. Exactly how good he will be I don't know, but I have seen enough to be able to say with a good bit of confidence that he is not going to be a bust. The DL is simply outstanding, and considering how young they are, they could end up being one of the best DLs that has ever played. Again, that depends on how well they progress, but these kids can flat out stuff the run and get pressure on the QBs now. Their potential is downright scary. Our skill positions are still somewhat weak. Powell has progressed well in his third year, but we need another quality RB, and I don't think Ivory is gonna be that guy. This position should be addressed sometime during the second day of the draft in rounds 2-3. And we definitely need a couple more WRs. Hill is still very questionable, but it's been my experience that WRs don't really come into their own until year 3. I've always liked what I have seen out of Kerley, and Holmes is a pretty good WR as well, but after that there is a significant drop off. And I mean a cliff-style drop. A WR in round 1 would be just fine with me. The OL is just not good, from the coaching on down. IMO, this is priority one for both the draft and free agency. Izdik needs to fic this for next season. I would like to see Winters replace Ducasse ASAP, to see how he can play in game situations. He cannot be any worse that old Vlad the Imploder, can he? God, but he sucks. Basically, other than Mangold and Brick, the rest of the OL can all be replaced. Don't know what OLmen are available next year in FA, but this must be addressed. Coaching is kind of a mixed bag. Last year I wanted Rex gone, but now I'm willing to give him this season and next to see what he can do. As I have ranted about the past 2 weeks, he must address the penalty issue somehow, and he must do it now. The lack of concentration and discipline are killing this team right now. If Rex cannot get this fixed, Woody must find someone who will instill some discipline into the team. I obviously must credit Rex with building one hell of a defense. This entire unity can kick ass for years to some. And I love that Marty has been able to make chicken salad out of the chicken shit he has for offensive skill players. They have surpassed by expectation this first quarter of the season, Overall, I think the foundation is there for an excellent football team. With some smart drafting and a few quality free agent signings, I think this teams window opens again next season. For the remainder of this season, I remain content to watch Geno grow into a quality NFL QB, and the defense reach it's sky high potential.
I think if you replace Rex you lose the defense and that's not a price worth paying for fewer penalties and better challenges. If Geno pans out we look in decent shape, but though I will give him every chance, he's certainly not shown enough yet to be considered a dead cert. Sent from my GT-I9305 using Tapatalk 4
Defensive front 7 is top tier. Secondary is weak. Team generates no turnovers on defense which is disappointing given the number of sacks and solid hits against running backs. On offense - Stephen Hill has improved from last season and is a good receiver. Holmes looks to have his step back, but both of these guys are now hurt. Kerley is solid. Powell looks like a good back and the OL is opening holes. Ivory is what we thought -- injury prone. Goodsen better offer some additional spark. Geno Smith is a disaster. I don't want to hear about a deep ball...he can't complete a 6 yard slant, can't hit receivers in stride, throws high, has horrible footwork, piss poor pocket awareness, lousy ball awareness, and over all is not ready to be playing. He is more than 2:1 TO to TD through 4 games. At some point you bench the guy and let him learn -- Dee Milliner - 1st rd pick much more $$$ invested got benched, Vlad Ducasse 2nd round pick, Kyle Wilson 1st round pick - benched. Geno Smith has way more impact on the game and he isn't a $40 million top 5 pick...bench him and let him see the game.
Rather have this than 3 quarters of Sanchez 3-and-outs Geno needs to stop the bullshit, but the at least move the fkn ball.
I couldn't disagree more that he is a disaster. If he was playing this way as a 4 year vet, then yes, I would say so. As a rookie playing this way, it's what I expect to see, especially as a second round pick. If he can progress and eliminate those mistakes, then I have every reason to believe he is gonna be a good one. ANd I think benching his is a terrible move, 85. You wanna put in Matt Simms? Where is that gonna take us? Let him play and learn from his mistakes. This is not a playoff team anyway. It's not like he is costing us a shot at the title. He needs to be on the field and playing.
Tony Good thread. Here are my 2 cents to add to your thoughts. 1- The Defensive foundation is definitely there, we are one OLB and perhaps a CB away from becoming stellar both against the pass and the run. 2- Offensively, yesterdays game was a gut wrenching reality check and a reminder that Geno is a very raw rookie with potential and some great attributes but a long way to go to be an NFL contender and establish himself as THE QB for the Jets. Right now the jury is still out to determine if he has enough to be one or not. I hope like hell the Jets can determine what the future for the Jets QB holds some time this year. 3- We had some horrible drive killing penalties that totally deflated the momentum of this young team. Some by Geno, but some by some pretty experienced players as well 4- Geno needs to significantly improve his turn overs immidiately, starting with holding on to the ball, and MM should help him with a much more structured running game and set of screen passes. Geno improvements in two areas: decision making skills and ability to read defenses are the common denominator to him having a successful future. 5- The D ability to capitalize on turn overs is also key. To me we have enough playmakers to make that happen sooner than later. 6- Field position. Special teams is the weak link when it comes to punt and kick off returns, We are not helping Geno at all with poor field position. This area is dismal. 7- Patience and hope. We knew going in this was going to be a retooling season. yesterday's game reminded us not to get our hopes up to much.
the only thing about geno that is really alarming to me is that his fundamentals and footwork are not improving at all through these games, in fact hes arguable getting worse with his feet and starting to backpedal and now making stupid plays i dont know what some of you are watching but geno is turning the ball over way too much on stupid plays and poor fundamentals
I think we all have to remember that almost no QB turnover ever looks "good." Eli having 2 SB rings does not make his 11 turnovers smell like roses. Many looked like "rookie mistakes" except he is a 9th year player. Schaub's pick-6 didn't look "good" because he is a veteran. With Geno the hope is that he lessens the overall amount, but they are never going to be eliminated completely. I am encouraged that he has thrown for a lot of yards and made several genuinely awesome throws that not every QB in this league has the talent to make. We have to be patient. As tony pointed out, this is not a playoff team. People need to get that out of their heads and just hope for development of the young players and maybe we spring an upset or 2 along the way.
the bottom line, no matter how good our defense is we arent going to win with rex unless we have an elite QB and running game. and thats is extremely unlikely. You can have a team that is super careless with penalties and doesnt put an emphasis on protecting the football. its like he doesnt care if we turn it over. ever.
Geno has outstanding footwork. forget "for a rookie", he is among the best in the NFL already in that aspect. His bigger issue is just horrific ball handling. that and horrible decision making.
Penalties killed us yesterday worse than Geno did. Every time the offense crossed into Titans territory yesterday we were called back. We never got to see the offense on Nashville's side of the field. At some point, we have to throw some bombs down field and the screen pass was scary yesterday. As soon as we had half back screen opening Geno was back, back backing up with 7ft monster pouha in his face.
Yesterday is at least partly attributable to the Titans defense making it a priority to hit Geno as often as they could get away with. Couple that with some very shaky offensive line play and with the receivers aside from Winslow and Kerley being shaky and it was a disastrous day for Geno. Geno and the Jets both needed to see what happened yesterday. Geno because he needs to get that ball security is his primary issue and the Jets because the organization needed to be reminded that they're rebuilding this year and that there are significant holes on the field for them, including the QB if enough other holes manifest on the day.
Once, we started the read option we looked like we could move the ball a little. and with Geno scrambling we have some nice gains (PROTECT the football kid!) The penalties just killed us getting any rhythm going. Many calls were absolutely legit, but it was not going both ways.
While I agree that ball handling is now an issue, I disagree with Geno having outstanding footwork and horrible decision making. Footwork is probably the weakest part of his game along with holding the ball too long and not stepping up into the pocket. MM has pretty removed most of the 3-5-7 steps drops, staples of the WCO, from the offense to accommodate for Geno's inferior footwork at this point in his development. His aversion to stepping up in the pocket is also attributable to his poor footwork. Rather than using his footwork to hitch forward into the pocket, he tends to drift backwards right into the outside rushers lane making mountains out of what at worst should be mole hills losses/sacks. With regards to his tendency to burp the baby, he is waiting for guys to get open rather than anticipating where the open window will be. This maybe a product of the talent around him and/or him not trusting that they will be where they are suppose to be. His decision making I think has been pretty good for a rookie. Off the top of my head I can't recall if he ever threw an interception that was a result of a bad or decision. Aside from one or two where he was fooled by the defense (e.g., the LB dropping and jumping the slant against Buffalo), most of his INTs have been inaccurate throws from being late or lazy with his mechanics. We can go line by line of every INT, you are not going to find too many, if any, where he threw the ball into double or tripple coverage or into really tight windows.
So basically what every team needs to win? Great play from the QB, a run game to help the QB, and a good defense. That really is what it comes down to for every team. The difference is with great QB play, you can skate by with a poor defense or run game in the regular season. A great run game or defense doesn't necessarily skate you by without that great QB play. The ball security on the first fumble was trying to do too much. Maybe I'll have to rewatch but all his other runs to that point, he seemed to have much better ball security. That was a lapse and I don't think a common thing he was doing the first 3 games. The second fumble was just bad handling, but again he's been hit a lot and held onto the ball, so again I think that was a lapse of trying to do too much. The INTs yesterday were curious to say the least. The first one seemed like a replica of the NE or BUF one he already threw. That same deep post route that he underthrows the ball. That has to be mechanically a problem or a late read because we know he has an arm. That route has caused him problems. The second INT, I didn't get a chance to see Tone throughout the whole play. I don't know if he was pushed off his spot or what Geno thought he saw. It might have been a good play by defense, but to the limited views I had, it seemed like he made up his mind he was throwing there regardless of what he saw. I noted some of the INTs above. I really think they aren't terrible decisions, as you say they just aren't good throws. To me that's better than being a terrible decision but to others that's worse. I think that can be corrected but it's hard to correct it in the season because we aren't really giving Geno a clean pocket to work on it. When things get rough, people naturally go back to what they used to do because it used to work. It's going to be interesting to see if in Week 12 and 13 Geno has improved, because it's something that usually takes a whole offseason to fix and implant into a player's mind.
