Media and fans dumping a bunch of QB's with 3-5 years experience with their team or the league: Ponder, Bradford, Freeman, Gabbert, etc. It's not just Sanchez. I know the success rate for 1st-Round QB's is only about 50% but it seems like it's been alot lower ever since the QB class of 2004. And many of these QB's were high-single digit picks and some #1's overall (and I'm not even going back to Jamarcus, Leinert, etc.). Heck, Luck looks GOOD but not like the 2nd-coming of Peyton Manning. RG III is 0-3 and doing nothing except in garbage time and yeah, I know he's hurt but alot of QB's who have 1 or 2 good years are having bad years. Remember when Cassell was considered a shoo-in as an up-and-comer ? Flamed out in KC and now a backup in Minny. Not sure if there's a pattern or if this is the randomness of sports and the position. But if Sanchez is dropped and Geno doesn't pan out, don't expect any quick-miracles from anyone on the recycle heap or even a future #1. Who knows about Bridgewater or these other guys. Heck, Phil Simms lost his job in Year 5 and didn't win until his 6th and 7th years. Aside from Alex Smith - thanks to quirks in coaching changes -- who would get 6 or 7 years with 1 team nowadays?
Ponder is injured and Bradford is saddled with the worst OC in the NFL, Brian Nepotismheimer The others you mentioned STINK and, like Sanchez, should have been removed long ago
If you don't think Ponder and Bradford stink, then you haven't seen enough Vikings or Rams games (understandably).
Part of it has to be randomness or overrating/underrating players in the draft. Because while you have Sanchez, Freeman, Ponder, Gabbert that teams want to move on from, you have the Luck, RGIII, Wilson, Dalton, Flacco, and Kaep who their teams seem to want to stick with.
Dalton isn't all that good in my opinion. All these weapons and he can't do jack shit. He has more weapons then any of the young QBs today. Oh and look at his record against good teams btw
Do you guys see how Eli is playing? and he has Cruz and Nicks, do you see how Ben is playing? and he has talent there too. Imagine any QB playing w/ what we had last year. I think smarter fans are starting to realize what mark had to deal w/ last year.
It wasn't just last year though with Mark. If he had some successful seasons before last year I think people would have given him more of a break. He's never put together a complete season. He has stretches where he plays well but then reverts back to making the same old mistakes. That play only lasts so long.
It has more to do with over value given to these guys on draft day. Teams see the franchise QB that changes the fortunes of franchises and are desperate, over desperate to re-create that... especially new regimes- if nothing else, they see that a young QB gives them 3-5 years of string from ownership before facing the hot seat "we're struggling, because we're working in a young QB." If it works out, it works great - you are considered a genius. If it doesn't, at least you got 3-5 years of a top salary... These GMs/CSs overvalued the position, instead of carefully analyzing the PLAYER.. with Ponder, Gabbert, Sanchez, Freeman. They all should've been 2nd or 3rd round picks, and would've been had that had similar resumes at say - WR. Would Jets fans feel differently right now about Sanchez if he was drafted in the 2nd round where he should've been? I think so, absolutely..
It was just last year consistently. The first 3 years he had some bad games as all QBs do but last year was his first bad year and we essentially threw him away b/c of it which we are paying the price for now.
Last year was his first bad year start to finish. The first 3 years he was inconsistent at best. I think after 4 years it's fair to take a shot on someone else if you feel he can be upgrade.
he was more good than bad his first 3 years and proved we could win big with him. I understand a new GM coming in and wanting to pick his QB, I don't like it but I understand it.
I don't disagree, but the Bengals seemed to buy into him. What you are saying is what other fans said about Sanchez and Flacco the first 2-3 years of their career except maybe "look at their D/run game" etc.
and isn't it a little reassuring that idzik didn't make the reach pick for geno in the first and instead got him for "value" in the 2nd?
Dalton can't win big games to save his career. Bengals beat the Patriots yesterday, but Dalton did nothing to help except convert a 3rd down here and there. He threw a INT in the RZ. He has 2 blue-chip TEs, a top 5 WR, and 2 running backs that can make plays for you and DON'T fumble the football. Dalton has talent around him that should make him a much better QB at this stage, in his 3rd year. Dalton and Schaub are the same exact QB.
Dalton is a lot closer to early career Flacco than Schaub. Schaub was a different type of QB in his first couple years starting than Flacco or Dalton You also contradict yourself saying Dalton can't win big games after the Bengals just won a big game against NE and GB this season. It also misses the fact the Bengals stormed off 7 wins in their last 8 games last season to make the playoffs. He's a young QB on a talented team like Flacco and Sanchez were, and nobody can pull the team results away from the QB results. The Bengals still believe in Dalton the same way the Ravens and Jets believed in Sanchez in his 3rd year. But the same negative comments hold against Dalton as did Sanchez and Flacco, the talent around him, the run game, the defense, etc. I agree, I don't think Dalton is going to end up having a special career, but at the end of the day the Bengals still believe in him currently and that's why I had him on my list of teams that still like their young QBs.
Dalton had his best game of the season against GB, but he was horrid against the Patriots. I think Dalton has had more talent at his disposal, then Flacco, or Sanchez had ever. That doesn't remind you of Schaub who has had Andre Johnson and Foster? Dalton even in the playoffs has never thrown a TD in two post-season games. Flacco was bad early on in his career in the post-season, but Dalton is much worse. He will end up just like Schaub in my opinion. I don't think Dalton does anything good at all. (at least Flacco can sling it). He's under-performing just like Schaub is doing now. Just give it a year or so.
They're both underperforming? Yeah I agree, but Dalton's career arc is, albeit really small, is much more closer than Flacco than Scuab's first couple years. I thoughts that what you mean, comparing their first full seasons and stuff
Yeah I see what you are saying here, I do think my posts are maybe a little pre-mature seeing as Dalton can still grow as a QB (He does have 2 straight post-season appearances). He's got so much talent around him though, I just feel that's alarming. His career arc, could indeed go the Flacco route, or instead make that left at the fork and head into Schaub-land.
