Powell is averaging 3.9 so how was Greene's 3.9 better? and Greene had a couple of good games to skew his #s most notably that Indy game. he only had 5 games w/ 4.0 YPC or more all season and Powell's YPC was higher pre injury. sanchez had Cumberland coming off a season ending injury getting extended PT for the FIRST time in his career. Mark had SCHILENS starting for him, David Nelson is 3x the player Schilens is. Schilens is OUT OF FOOTBALL Our OL was atrocious last year, why do you think we made so many changes this year? add in tim Tebow and Tony Sparano what mark had to deal w/ was incredible. geno has had MUCH more talent to work w/ and a real OC.
Because we are talking about why Geno doesn't step up into the pocket. Willie Colon is playing decently, so that leaves that left side to blame. When Winters gets beat it collapses the pocket not allowing Geno to step up. Colon does get beat too, but not even close to as much as Winters. If he does get beat he usually holds.
My bad I thought he was averaging 3.7. The line last year was 100x better than this years. Like I said, DBrick allowed 2 sacks last year, he allowed 2 yesterday alone. We had 2 changes on the line. One because they didn't want to pay Moore top money, so he just retired, and they thought that they could find someone better than Slauson. If you tell me that Moore and Slauson are worse than Colon and Winters you are delusional. Mark was sacked 34 times last year in 15 games Genos been sacked 37 in 11. And don't tell me that Geno holds on to the ball too long, because Mark was the king of holding the ball too long. Mark still had Keller for about half the season, and he at what he was then is still better than Winslow and Cumberland. Cumberland hasn't been great this year either. He had a couple big games, but like Hill, he's been invisible. I think you forget that Nelson was sitting on his couch a couple weeks ago planning for his organization to help kids in Haiti. Geno does have a more proven OC, who hasn't done anything special, but he does NOT have much more talent.
From the Buccs game Ivory was getting hit very single time behind he even got to the line. If Mark had this line he'd be sacked 100 times. He holds on to the ball way too long and drops at the moment he feels pressure. Geno at least has saved a couple sacks by running away from defenders and picking up a yard or two.
i think your spot on, seems like the coaching staff turtled up and are trying to not lose their way into the playoffs. the fact is if they just let unleash 1 deep on the first drive they might back up the defense enough to operate some sort of offense. the wildcat yesterday was pretty much an open invitation for baltimore to bring everyone down on the line . big neon lights "we are scared" long passes,even when incomplete, get in the defenses head
i don't understand this debate about who had better talent between mark and geno. i don't care who had better weapons, regardless their weapons still STUNK.
Lets talk about the playmakers: David Nelson- Nice No.4 but why wasn't he signed after he didn't make the cut for the Browns? Injuries may have taken a toll with his body. Greg Salas- Could not even latch onto the Eagles main team with Maclin lost for the year and wasn't picked up until we got him. He's done a nice job with the team but could not stick with STL/NE/PHI..... Josh Cribbs- Looked super slow in preseason for Oakland, was not picked up until by us. Has been better than advertised but he's not a weapon outside the wildcat on non-special teams plays. Jeremy Kerley- Very solid player but is hurt for who knows how long. Have no qualms with him, solid No.2. Clyde Gates- It is year 3 for him I believe and he still can't run a single correct route. He can bring all the speed he wants, if he can't run designed routes, he doesn't belong in the NFL. Santonio Holmes- Banged up with hamstring, foot injuries and who knows what else. He is what Coles was for us in 2006 at this point. Guy battling out there but is still limited. Stephen Hill- The perfect guy who looks great on paper but when it comes on the field, does not do anything. Poor route running, not reliable with hands, lack of aggression on the field, one dimensional at this point. He's still a project that may very well end up being what Greg Little has become for the Browns. Chris Ivory- Very tough runner, have no qualms about him here. Needs work on blitz pickup and pass protection which did him in with the Saints for playing time.....often hurt and non factor as a receiver. Very underrated runner though. Bilal Powell- Criminally underused but even then he's a decent if not alright back but almost a Shonn Greene clone with a bit more upside. Might be worse than Ivory in pass catching but might be better as a pass protector. Mike Goodson- Fast running back who was our best catching threat in the backfield but season never got started because of suspension and his season got lost too early vs PIT. Shame as I think he would have been a good tool for the offense. Not much of a runner but he compliments the other two. Alex Green- Yeah.......was a huge letdown in GB and hasn't done much better, if at all with his chances with the Jets. Kellen Winslow- Guy who nobody wanted besides us in as we took a shot in the dark to hope he'd maybe amount to something. Did well because of PEDs, has done notta since returning Jeff Cumberland- Solid no.2 TE in the league but not an every down TE. Can't block worth a lick and has problems with separation when he isn't running down the field. Can't get utilized properly with our lousy pass protecting OLine. Zach Sudfeld- Like a typical rookie(Nevermind undrafted), lost on route running, not a complete TE as his blocking is a big work in progress. Showed flashes for NE in the preseason but didn't take advantage of the opportunity in NE when Gronk was out. Claimed by Jets mostly because of Winslow's PED bust....project TE worth while to develop for the year. Tommy Bohanon- Nice story, has been a decent enough blocker for a year 1 round 7 rookie FB but he is not meant to be anything more than a checkdown target. Has not been always reliable in 3rd and 1 type plays which is why he doesn't get the chances. Am I forgetting anyone here?
Bingo. Raiders guys are not big names but that doesn't mean they stink. Their OLine has been in shambles, I'll give you that but they can run block good enough where guys like Jennings can succeed.
Lack of confidence in the QB is one of the things but the OLine can run block but cannot pass protect at all. Winters is still kind of lost in this regard though he offers much more than what Vlad did in his 4 games. Colon has always been suspect in the pass protection but money in run blocking. Steelers fans warned everyone about this along with his injuries. He provides toughness and good run blocking, nothing else. Howard has been inconsistent, has some up and some days he wish the game would end. Mangold has been steady and DBrick is overmatched often at LT and may best be suited moving to RT if Howard isn't kept. Not reliable enough to have the job of protecting the QB's blindside.
Jets, Jets The Jet have an ok offensive line and decent backs, however, the lack any quality receivers which makes them near the bottom in talent. It's a QB and receivers game and they need to upgrade in those areas. I'm sure Idzik knows that and he is looking for a free-agent WR. The rest of the season is to see if Geno is the QB to take them forward. Starting Geno is not Rex's call even if the papers say so. Idzik wants to know if he is the one and will use the rest of the year to evaluate.
Ya most OL can give a incompetent QB 4seconds to throw the ball, wait NOT, its funny how you defend Geno, who is by all standards, atrocious, but say Glennon is having a rookie season?? LOL, The more you defend Geno for his short comings, with generic excuses, as its the WR's or the OL fault, just invalidates you evaluation, Jesus give it up, your just look stupid
You just look stupid* :smile: The idea that Geno is forcing sacks for the OLine is silly....he sometimes is taking what is called "Coverage Sacks" where he isn't throwing the ball up for the sake of doing it since our targets can get zero separation. Glennon has done nice thus far though their OLine has began to play for him and the coach after Josh Freeman departed as it was clear Freeman lost the locker room. Bucs are on their 3rd RB right now(Martin out, Mike James out) in Rainey and Rainey has done a solid job....that tells you something about how they run block and they've even done a solid job in pass protection as of late. Underwood is probably better than all of our WRs not named Holmes and Vincent Jackson is hands and away better than Holmes. Even then, like with all rookie QBs(Including Geno), we will see how they transition with a full year of game tape out there against them now. I never said Geno has done a great job in spite all of this. He's poured fuel to a wildfire, but he isn't the single cause of the wildfire like 75% of the board likes to think.
not all of those sacks are because of coverage dude Geno just cant read a defense yet and who knows if he ever will??
Wow Junc. This is classic. Good OL? The last two games Im pretty sure Geno was pressured on over 50% of his passes. There were at least 5-10 times each game where Geno didnt even have time to finish his drop before there was a defender in his face. Good RBs? Powell is a JAG, and Ivory is yet again injured. Even when healthy, he's hardly an average QB. Decent TE's? Compared to what? College FB? Because Winslow is nothing but an aging vet probably on his last gig and Cumberland is still a "raw" TE in his 4th season with questionable hands. And the best of all... mediocre WRs??? We probably have the worst group of WRs in the NFL aside from maybe the Raiders. The only WR thats worth a roster spot at this point is Kerley. Holmes is on his way out, Hill is garbage, and there's nothing after that. The fact that you call our WR's "mediocre" makes me severely question whether or not you've watched a single NFL game besides one that the Jets play in. When you grade our offensive positions, they have to be graded compared to the rest of the NFL. Our offense is one of the least talented groups in all of football. From top to bottom.
It's a combination of everything really. Sometimes Geno holds onto the ball too long, sometimes the OL gives him no time, sometimes WRs don't get open. The worst is when the last 2 combine and Geno decides to throw resulting in a terrible decision.
Wow...thanks for the open ended opportunity: N.E. Kansas City Denver San Francisco Seattle Arizona Cincinnati Ummm...just about anywhere that has a normal QB. Tom Brady would JUICE for Stephen Hill...just sayin'.
