I thought it would be interesting to make a thread to discuss the new coaching hires and candidates. The most frequent comment/question I saw from Rex supporters was there is no one better out there, or who would we replace him with. I believe those questions are now being answered. Phil Simms was saying today that if you wanted an offensive innovator, who would fix your QB or help make him the best he could be, Jay Gruden would be an excellent hire. He said that he is an aggressive play caller. Ken Whisenhunt is very high on both the Lions and another team's (I forget who it was) list. Another team is looking at Briles the HC of Baylor. Another team is looking at Gus Malzahn who resurrected the Auburn program and the HC of Vanderbuilt. Both are thought to be great young, innovative offensive minds. Bill O'Brien was hired by the Texans. Not that I would have wanted him, but Lovie Smith was hired by the Bucs. I'm gonna root for Rex to succeed, but I still think it was a HUGE mistake to retain Rex. More than likely, all the top HC candidates/prospects will get hired this year. If the Jets flop in 2014 and Rex is fired, I'm a little concerned that after all the HCs that have been fired this year (7) that all the best prospects will be gone.
There are best prospects every year. David Shaw could easily be available next year. There are likely to be several other highly qualified candidates by then also. I didn't like this year's group of candidates at all.
Fair enough. We just disagree. Last year, lots of Jets fans on the site where I used to post said that they thought Chip Kelly wasn't a good candidate and would flop in the NFL. A lot of people thought Pete Carroll would flop with the Seahawks too. I do agree that some good candidates will probably emerge within the next year. My main point was just to show that there are good candidates out there that are valued by NFL teams, and I trust their judgment (as flawed as it can be at times) more than I do fans on a Jets fan site.
MOST OFFENSIVE COACHES HAVE TERRIBLE DEFENSES,Jason Garret,Mark Tressman,Andy Reids defense cost him playoffs yesterday,Saints had worst defense until Rob Ryan came in,Its hard to have both in this league but I think the Jets are close.Hiring an offensive coach doesn't guarntee anything
Yes, that's true and some good candidates will undoubtedly emerge. That said, a number of the prospects this year have been considered among the top candidates or THE top candidates for the last couple of years, but there haven't been that many openings. This year with 7 NFL HC jobs opening up (and maybe more), all of these group of "best candidates" could be hired. I like a number of these prospects. Next year, unless some higher profile collegiate coach like David Shaw decides to leave his college job, the candidate pool will be poorer imo and will have fewer experienced and "known" quantities. The new candidates will be coordinators with less experience and/or a lesser record of success.
One could also say that most defensive coaches have lousy offenses. The Jets sure have under Rex. The idea that the Jets' D would fall apart if Rex leaves is just plain stupid and wrong. With all the talent they have on that DL, it would take a totally inept DC for the D to take a huge step backwards.
It still doesnt work like that. Even if all the "top" guys got hired, then those "top " guys will all be trying to get into the playoffs and many of them wont and many of them will underachieve and eventually get fired. Every year there are firings and hirings, Id say at best each year produces only one or two coaches that have great success. Of all the guys hired this year I bet only one produces a Super Bowl AT MOST. Most of these guys wont get there teams near the Super Bowl.
It most certainly does. Eventually. What in the heck good does that do, if the Jets look to replace Rex next season? In the rest of your post, you make my case for me. It takes several years for prime HC candidates to emerge. It doesn't happen after one good or great season. Guz Malzahn is an exception. Usually it takes guys years of winning and having a top collegiate program or being considered topflight coordinators in the NFL to become HC candidates, and usually only 1-2 emerge per season.
Look at the last couple years of Super Bowl winning head coaches and the year they were hired: Harbaugh - 2008 Coughlin - 2004 McCarthy - 2006 Sean Peyton -2006 Mike Tomlin -2007 Dungy - 2002 Cowher -1992 Belichick - 2000 I mean you can sit here all you want and listen to all the praise these new coaches are getting but how many will win a Super Bowl? History tells us that none of them likely will. There are only 29 Super Bowl winning head coaches. Its really hit or miss, and the chances Rex wins us a Super Bowl are about the same as anyone else that we could have hired. But take a look at that list above and tell me something all those guys have in common other than winning the Super Bowl.....
We already have a good coach. We have a good defense and an OC that's in charge of running the offense. We're in good shape.
Really? Are you serious? What particularly about our pathetic offense would make you remotely think we are close to having a good NFL offense?
Alright when one of those guys hired wins a Super Bowl send me a letter that tells me I was wrong. Chances are none of them will and if one does it still doesnt guarantee that they would have won one with the Jets just because they won with another team.
You just don't get it do you? Once they're hired by another team, they do the Jets absolutely NO GOOD if they're looking to hire a new HC next year. At that point, it doesn't matter if they win a SB or not. Of course there are no guarantees, but with everything else being equal, you want a prospective HC to have more experience and a greater track record of success. That's no guarantee of success, but the odds of it are better.
So what Morhinweg when he was with Philly. Because we need players. MM was creative, aggressive, conservative when required, and while I am not high on the WC, he used it in spots where more than 60% of the time it gained positive yards. I think we have an above average RB group. If we get other players to execute the WCO that MM has put in place, shore up the OL, 1 true playmaker in the WR or TE corps, and a QB that can perform, we will be a serious contender. Two or three offensive players that come through would turn the entire offense around. However, EVERYTHING hinges on QB play no matter if you had Jerry Rice, Terrell Owens, Isaac Bruce, Randy Moss, & James Harrison as your WR corp.
No matter how great an HC is, he can't win without players. After what I saw the last couple years from Rex & his new OC and staff for 2013, we definitely have the coaches in place. Its a matter of having the right players. That falls in Idz's shoulders. It should be quite obvious to everyone that Rex can coach up any group of personnel but getting the most of the players only goes so far. The guy could probably coach up Don Bosco to beat Jacksonville. But you can't have scrub players and expect to beat the top 10 teams in the NFL.
I still dont get what you are trying to prove, your upset because we missed out on guys that would have not won a Super Bowl here anyway? Why dont you research what pretty much all of the 29 super Bowl winning head coaches have in common. Then after that research the other 300+ that have not won a Super Bowl and tell me what they all have in common.
Chip Kelly would be nowhere without the emergence of Nick Foles and the team is one and done, losing to a team that we beat after just squeezing into the playoffs in a weak division. Rex is a top head coach in the NFL. Getting rid of him or MM would be a huge mistake. They compliment each other well. Add some more play makers and we'll see a much more dynamic offense with the evolution of Geno Smith as he gets better making plays with his feet and improves his accuracy. At least that's my hope for Geno. Either way the coaches exceeded expectations this year. You don't just switch head coaches because you see one on the market that is POTENTIALLY better. That's a terrible philosophy. It's like going all in and trading 3 years of pics for RGIII. It's not worth it. Continuity matters. We need talent not new coaches. That is obvious and plain as day. IMO there aren't that many better coaches than Tomlin. If Rex falters next year and the Steelers underachieve, I'd be all over that, but changing coaches just to change coaches is beyond silly. You didn't see the Saints trying to replace Drew Brees when Manning was on the market. That isn't a winning strategy even though Manning is marginally better. Rex is a good playcaller. They wouldn't take a huge step back because of the talent, but they WILL take a step back because they'll be learning a new system.
it is true. after this year, there will be no excellent head coaches hired in the history of the NFL going forward. the guys you listed are all that remains.
