If Hill had been an NFL receiver Mark Sanchez would likely still be the Jets QB and Geno would be on another roster somewhere.
It's not just QB, it's Hill as well, but you have to admit the circumstances haven't been favorable for him. Our WR unit as a whole had no real threats the past 2 years and he played in 2 separate systems both with bad QBs. He got open quite a bit with Sanchez, but had drops. We'll see what happens. It's like how everyone was so down on Kyle Wilson calling him a bust constantly, yet now he's our best slot CB and had a solid year last year. In fact I think he's one of the better slot CBs in the league.
Who cares what Decker did with Tebow & Orton? Pretty sure they played better than Geno Smith that year. Decker is obviously a better WR than Hill right now, but to think the QB situation and overall lack of depth in the receiving core (and weak oline) has nothing to do with it, then I really don't know what to tell ya. Hill got open and on the same page with Sanchez many times. His drops just ruined it. He could have been a hero if he caught that potential game clinching pass against NE in 2012. In 2013 he just never seemed to really get the timing of the system down with Geno. Plus Geno was constantly under pressure and often didn't even progress to Hill's route before having to dodge OLBs and DEs.
It bugs me that people compare Tebow and Orton as if they were the same. Decker had four td's from Orton and four from Tebow, but he took over twice as many games to get those four from Tebow. Five games with Orton compared to 11 with Tebow. At the rate Decker had Td's with Orton, a full season would have been 12 to 13, much better than 8.
You, Sir, are a complete ass. I've stated time and again in this thread that Hill is a work in progress and that he has a lot of work to do. I've brought up the QB struggles as a reason to not write him off now after 2 injury filled / unproductive years. He was always a project player and still has PLENTY of time to learn. Anyone who expected anything great out of Hill in his first 2 years is just completely oblivious. Obviously you stopped having anything to add to the conversation a long time ago so why don't you just not post in this thread anymore. We all get that you don't like Stephen Hill.. Go bother someone else.
And the fact that Stephen Hill caught one of only 2 completions Geno threw for more then 30 yards? Or that he had the same ( or more ) amount of catches at that distance then Kerley, Nelson, Winlsow and Cumberland. How about that Stephen Hill was the 2nd best WR we have at those yardages. The only WR more productive at those distances was Holmes, And some of Holmes catches in these situations came out of the slot position moving across the middle of the field. Hill mostly played on the outside sideline where Geno was his weakest last season.
I was referring to Stephen Hill's pre-draft profile. My point wasn't that Orton = Tebow. Actually, it wasn't about either one of them. If you had read my post and the one to which I responded, you would see my point was a rebuttal about Hill. Orton is obviously a better passer than Tebow.
You're basically saying Tannenbaum and Bradway were "completely oblivious." They had a mid-first round grade on the guy. They didn't take him in the 2nd round with the idea he'd start performing in year 3. Come on.
Yes, that's absolutely what I'm saying. It's a pretty known issue that Tanny didn't do well with the draft. Hill didn't belong being drafted in the 2nd round, We reached for a prospect and then got hosed when we didn't have the depth to support Hill being a project. The scouting report itself linked in this thread stated he was a 4th round talent that may shoot up the board based on his physical trails and potential. Anyone that thought Hill would be a major contributor in his first two years isn't being realistic with the athlete we drafted.
This may be the first time that I have seen a person that supports a player this much and simultaneously states that they were drafted too early. Almost makes me want to argue for Hill.
That there is a legitimate chance he can emerge this year as a valuable part of the team, and that we will draft some competition for him in case that doesn't happen, because there is an equal possibility Hill cannot take that next step. The being reasonable part is when you don't assume he is absolutely going to be lower than #2 on the depth chart, while also understanding that he will have to compete to be that high.
First of all, I wasn't asking you and want to hear Ajitators answer. There is nothing unreasonable about assuming he'll be lower than #2 on the depth chart. Obviously there's a possibility he will be a valuable player but assuming he'll be lower than #2 on the depth chart is not at all unreasonable. It's probably not what you believe, but that doesn't make it unreasonable. It's always funny when people think that when someone disagrees with them it's because the other person is being unreasonable. Usually it's someone who has an unwarranted high opinion of themselves.
This is still a mystery to me. He is a straight line athlete, not a football player. Just because he's tall and can run fast, doesnt mean he possesses all the physical tools to be a top WR in the NFL. Its takes a whole lot more than that.
The funny thing about this discussion is that if the season started today the starting receivers would probably be Decker, Kerley and Nelson and does anybody believe the Jets won't draft another starting caliber receiver in the first three rounds? I'm not sure where Hill will be when the season starts or if he will even be on the team.
I agree with this. As of the end of the season Nelson was playing and Hill was much less so. Nelson is coming back, and while he's been in the league longer, he's not about to retire. As of today there is no reason to think Hill would start ahead of him. Add in a high draft pick wideout, and Hill's prospects of even staying on the team are less than when they were this time last year. Heck I don't even know if the CS rates or will rate him higher than Salas and/or Ford.
