Hell, Jeff Fisher is constantly considered a top 10 coach by the talking heads. The guy has been HC for 2 different franchises and coached 19 seasons, and has only made the playoffs 6 times total, and only made it past the divisional round twice. And has only had 6 seasons where his team finished above .500. It took him 5 seasons to even break the .500 mark.
Well at least it is logic compared to your posts. And I for one do go deeper than "it was just a loss" in analyzing how and why. To me it is literally incomprehensible that the quality of the opponent does not figure in asssessing the meaning of a game. As for your emotional outburst, grow up you little pansy.
he should have been fired for being one of the best coaches in the league? what standard is this? I am thankful Woody wasn't dumb enough to fire Rex.
These points have been debated endlessly here. So I won't bother going point by point. The main point is I have not DISMISSED Smith. I was on board with not drafting a Qb high in the draft this off season, and have not written him off. He gets another chance, and that makes sense to me. I just don't have the confidence in him that people like you do. Why the mere questioning of a player who had nothing to do with the Jets 18 months ago, who played like shit for long stretches last year, who ranked near or at the bottom of NFL qb's, should be taken so personaly and so aggressively by people like 101 and 1985 here is astounding. I guess they are just defensive and thin skinned.
The Browns had the 9th ranked defense last year. So Geno had a solid game against a top 10 defense. Carolina had the number 2 ranked defense and Geno had a decent showing there too. You may have a "point" for the Raiders. The Dolphins were in playoff contention and a win against us would've put them in the postseason. So Geno had decent performances against 2 top 10 defenses and a playoff contending team.
Yeah, that must be it. You're another thin skinned homer you probably think I should apologize to. You have a long wait.
Again, calling Miami who had just gone scoreless against Buffalo, who were in the news with locker room issues, who were missing two offensive linemen, without whom they were exposed for not having a running game, calling them a playoff contending team is just evidence of how parity includes many mediocre teams in that designation. The Jets also intercepted Tannehill three times. As for Cleveland, Cleveland??? 4-12 Cleveland? Yes, Smith looked better. First two TD pass game since October. In 36 attempts he threw for 214 yards, a 5.8 ypa. Color me not impressed. So yes, he looked better. Better after looking awful. Is that really going to be good enough? Let's move past last season, since we can't seem to agree on the meaning of the last few games. It was last season, anyway, and even Smith Fans expect him to improve this off season. I hope he does, too, enough to secure the starting spot and deserve it. My fear is he will improve somewhat, but not enough. Well, enough to satisfy some here, and perhaps some in the Jet FO. But not enough to indicate movement to become even an average NFL Qb. Hopefully the result is not too ambiguous, and the Jets by next off season either have a Qb for the now and future, or can see they need to go in another direction.
That same Miami team that were missing those same oline players, that had the same issues running the ball. That Miami team beat the shit out of the Jets a few weeks prior. Geno had his worst game against that same Dolphin team. So you can't discredit his second game against them when he looked worse than Tebow in the first game. The Browns were competitive in most of their games down the stretch. They took NE to the limit a week or 2 prior. And they had a good defense.
if you actually watched Miami's OL you'd realize their OL was actually pretty good after the suspensions and they dominated our DL in 2 games and we have one of the best DLs in the league.
And that is why they are hated by most of the NFL... especially the NFC. Now why are they hated by their own fan base? I have no idea..but I do know it says less about the Jets and more about the fan base.
Again, it's not about the record, it's about the defensive ranking. Geno doesn't play against their offense. He plays against their D, and they were solid last year on D. Is it Geno's fault they had QB injuries and issues? It was a solid performance against a top 10 defense, something that he didn't really do much during the year, which is why that game stands out to me. The other top defenses we played and Geno's performance against them: Team: rank: rating Cincy: 3rd - 51.9 Saints: 4th - 62.4 Carolina: 2nd - 68.6 He played better against high quality defenses later in the year. That's the trend I see for the most part. He played better against the Panthers than he did against Bengals or Saints. Against Atlanta, one could claim that he exploited a weak defense, but against Cleveland it's not an excuse. Don't get me wrong, Cleveland doesn't rank up there with Carolina or Seattle, but they are a solid unit. I believe this shows improvement.
Ivory had a great game. Smith threw for 5.8 ypa. "solid" I guess four years of Mark Sanchez has lowered standards around here. But fyi 5.8 ypa sucks.
Also, that is a selective stat and a season long one at that. Here's an article covering how Cleveland's D started strong and sucked down the stretch. Heh, Cleveland. How Much Is Ray Horton to Blame for the Cleveland Browns' 2013 Collapse?By Andrea Hangst , AFC North Lead Writer Jan 9, 2014 Should the Browns have fired defensive coordinator Ray Horton when they got rid of head coach Rob Chudzinski? Cleveland Browns CEO Joe Banner and owner Jimmy Haslam used the team's poor performance in the second half of the 2013 season as the justification for firing head coach Rob Chudzinski after less than one calendar year on the job. The Browns lost their final seven games in a row and 10 of their last 11—a team record—and needed to make a move that showed how seriously committed they are to improvement. But if that is the case, if the unraveling of the Browns, particularly in the second half of the season, was grounds for Chudzinski's firing, then why is defensive coordinator Ray Horton still—at least for now—on the job? Haslam and Banner confirmed that Browns assistant coaches can keep their jobs while the team finds a new head coach who will decide their fates. But perhaps they should have given Horton his walking papers along with Chudzinski. He and his defense are just as much to blame for the Browns' 4-12 2013 campaign as Chudzinski, if not more so. Horton and his 3-4 defense were brought in to replace Dick Jauron's 4-3 that ranked 23rd in yards per game, 19th in points per game and notched 38 sacks in 2012. He planned to have an attacking-style defense similar to that of the Pittsburgh Steelers, and both the draft and free agency was spent stocking up players who would help advance this agenda. However, as the season wore on, it became more and more clear that Horton's vision lacked on-field execution. Though the Browns ranked ninth in yards per game allowed, at 332.4, they ranked just 23rd in points per game, at 25.4. And it's fair to say that as the season wore on, the bigger the defense's collapse became. The Browns defense ended its season ranked a dismal 30th in red-zone touchdown percentage, with teams scoring touchdowns on 64 percent of their red-zone appearances. They ranked 31st in opponent third-down conversions, with teams getting a new set of downs against them 44.67 percent of the time. They gave up the most fourth-quarter points to their opponents—9.1 of them, on average. Put together, those three numbers are a formula for complete defensive failure. It would have taken an offense of the likes of the Denver Broncos for the Browns to have won many games with that defense. And no one saw it coming. Browns Defense, 2013, vs. Cardinals Defense, 2012 & 2013 Team 3rd D% Rank RZ TD% Rank 4Q PPG Rank CLE 2013 44.67% 32 64.00% 30 9.1 32 ARI 2012 32.88% 3 44.44% 3 3.8 1 ARI 2013 35.29% 11 54.17% 13 6.2 12 In 2012, the Cardinals were one of the best defenses in the league in all three metrics. It ranked first in fourth-quarter points allowed, at 3.8, third in opponent third-down conversion percentage, at 32.88, and third in opponent red-zone touchdown percentage, at 44.44. And while Arizona lost its defensive coordinator, it didn't see any drop-off in defensive performance this season. What changed was the players tasked with executing the defense. The Browns' 2013 defensive roster was made up of veterans who could either effectively make the switch to the 3-4 or had already done so in Cleveland under Rob Ryan in 2010, as well as 3-4-friendly outside free agents and rookies. Three of their defensive free-agent pickups—linebacker Quentin Groves, defensive lineman Desmond Bryant and cornerback Chris Owens—all eventually landed on injured reserve. 2013 first-round draft pick Barkevious Mingo played like a rookie and had only 668 defensive snaps in his first season. Cornerback Leon McFadden was the only other first-year Browns defender to get anything near significant playing time, and that came as a result of Owens' injury. The Browns brought in linebacker Paul Kruger to be the cornerstone of their 3-4 defense's pass rush; he had just 4.5 sacks on the season. And Cleveland's free-agency crown jewel, linebacker Paul Kruger, had only 4.5 sacks on his 439 pass-rushing snaps—certainly a disappointing performance for someone brought on to be a dominant force in the front seven. It wasn't just that the Browns needed to get enough pieces to make their new 3-4 defense work; they also needed these pieces to work in concert with one another. Building chemistry and trust between a group of players who had never taken the field together, along with a coach most of them had never worked with, takes time. And there's no set amount of time it will take. Sometimes, like with the 2013 Baltimore Ravens, it happens quickly. Other times, like with the 2011 Philadelphia Eagles, it doesn't take shape until the end of the season. For the Browns, inexplicably, things started stronger than how they finished. And with that reasoning being the driving force for Cleveland's front office's decision to part ways with Chudzinski, it follows that Horton should have been held to the same standard. After all, he had more to work with on the defensive side of the ball than the offense did and the defense still collapsed. Making the Browns defense into a mirror image of the Cardinals was a tough task to accomplish in one season, especially with the change in base scheme. But the fact that the defense failed in such crucial areas on third downs, in the red zone and in the fourth quarter speaks more to the coaching than the players. Chances are, Horton's time in Cleveland will be limited to one season depending on who the team ultimately hires as its new head coach. But based on Haslam's and Banner's comments concerning why they decided to fire Chudzinski, Horton should have been released at the same time, on the same grounds. The Browns basically didn't have a quarterback and had no running game to speak of; no wonder their offense struggled. But they had a complete roster of defensive talent and only got worse. There's no excuse or explanation for it, and the responsibility ultimately comes down to coaching. http://bleacherreport.com/articles/...-horton-to-blame-for-the-browns-2013-collapse
Never seen a so-called "Jets fan" try so desperately to discredit everything positive about the team that they allegedly root for. Not to mention using ypa as proof of why Geno was unimpressive against the Browns and in the very next post criticizing someone else for using a 'selective stat'. Unreal...
Meh. The argument either has merit or not. Your expectations coming here, based on whatever, are irrelevant. The point going forward was how much confidence to take from a win over Cleveland. Others have pointed to the single stat that Cleveland's pass D was ranked, season long at that, 8th. I referred to many other considerations than just ypa why that ranking was misleading. I cited an article pointing out that Cleveland's D collapsed as the season went on, which cited a number of stats. So you are essentially being misleading in saying I used a selective stat. I saw the game. Smith looked better, but Cleveland was a mess of an opponent. Be as impressed as you want by that. I am entitled to my opinion.
