Go look at the vids available on Youtube. He's not Andrew Luck. He's more like RGIII. And I say that with no disrespect intended but after like the 5th long run by him out of the read-option you're likely to have a different view of him. Very, very talented guy but you better be planning to run Oregon's offense if you want his skill set to potentially translate to the NFL in all it's glory and RGIII has shown us why that's a fool's errand. If he was Cam Newton's size I'd give him an even shot at making it work.
Actually you continue to support my criticism of your argument. When you call out my conclusion you are calling out the stupidity of your argument because my argument is based on your argument. And just as I predicted you again attempted to qualify and narrow your argument to mask your stupidity but all you continue to do is magnify it.
If he started this season, as many of us thought he should, he could have put us in the playoffs. You saw yesterday what can happen when this team puts points on the board, plays with a lead, cuts down on turnovers and dumb penalties. Injury is an issue with Vick, I'll admit, but no one has a crystal ball. Any QB can get injured in this league. Vick was clearly the better QB on the roster and should have been named the starter from day 1.
There is a key diference between RG3 and MM -- inelligence. Intelligence that manifests itself in real-time in game decision-making. MM has it, RG3 not so much. RG3 also plays the game a lot more like Vick, an "accident waiting to happen". RG3 runs to contact,doesn't know how/when to slide or go out of bounds. MM runs much more like Russell Wilson in that he instinctively is looking to minomize contact and bad hits.
Steve Young was an option QB in HS who in college coaches wanted to switch over to the defensive backfield. Look at the player's skill set not at what his coaches want him to run in order to win games.
It's similar to when people try to act like Bill Polian put together great teams in Indy with Peyton Manning when in all reality Peyton Manning's teams have routinely missed on draft picks yet he was just so good he overcame it. Polian put together a team with two pass rushers, two receivers and trash everywhere else and is revered for the job he did with the Colts. It amazes me.
Unless under some bizarre circumstances a Jets lose means the Pats miss out on the playoffs, and it doesn't mean anything to the Jets. That I would have to consider.
Jets gut punched the Steelers, the Bills and Fish lost, and Lynch put an Al Bundy on the Giants. i enjoyed watching football yesterday. only Jet fans (a small minority of them) would complain about it.
Football IQ-wise, no I would not grade RG3 as intelligent. He'd be a distant 3rd in his QB class to Luck and Wilon.
Polian is revered for putting together one of the best rosters in NFL history in the Bills of the late 80's and early 90's, then moving to Carolina to an expansion team that he got into the NFC Championship Game in it's second season, then moving on to Indy and putting together one of the best rosters there over a period of several years in the late 90's and early 00's. 18 of the 25 years he GM'd his team made the playoffs. The records of his teams when he took the GM job: 1986 -Buffalo (previous year 2-14) 1995 - Carolina (expansion team) 1998 - Indianapolis (previous year 3-13) I doubt anybody in NFL history has been a more effective GM at turning teams around for sustained success than Polian was in his prime.
Correct. I think Polian is a little too old now so I wouldn't advocate grabbing him to run operations here. But he was amazing at constructing football teams. I think those 90s Bills had the best top to bottom roster I've ever seen. His philosophy is something they should bring here. He always built teams with an emphasis on the skill players, QB/RB/WR offensively and outward from there. Seems obvious but it's apparently not. Defensively his philosophy was about drafting pass rushers and filling out from there. He tended to care less about size and more about speed. Also less about potential from prospects and more about production in the college game.
Yes and I looked into his success before the Colts but as a whole they've done a pretty piss poor job drafting players that stuck to their roster and contributed. 2010 Jerry Hughes Pat Angerer Kevin Thomas Jacques McClendon Ricardo Matthews 2009 Donald Brown Fili Moala Jerraud Powers Austin Collie Terrence Taylor 2008 Mike Pollan Philip Wheeler Jacob Tamme Marcus Howard Tom Santiago Steve Justice Mike Hart Pierre Garçon 2007 Anthony Gonzalez Tony Ugoh DanTe Hughes Quinn Pitcock Clint Session Roy Hall 2006 Joseph Adlai Tim Jennings Freddy Keiaho Michael Toudoze Charlie Johnson Antoine Be the a 2005 Marlin Jackson Kelvin Haden Vincent Burn Dylan Gandy Matt Riordan 2004 Bob Sanders Ben Hartson Gilbert Gardner Kendyll Pope Jason David Jake Scott There honestly is very little NFL talent in these lists of Polians drafts and I could keep going a little deeper as most all of the players in his 2001 & 2002 draft were out of the league within 3 years except for Reggie Wayne & Freeney. Regardless of what he did with the Bills and Panthers I think he's one of the more overrated executives around the league who has put very little around one of the best players to ever play the game.
to be fair he inherited Jim Kelly and the #1 pick in a year Peyton Manning came out so in essence inherited Kelly and Manning. That makes the job a lot easier.
