I'm seeing a lot of threads blaming the last two losses on the Coaching, receiver drops, QB errors, entire units not showing up and injuries. What if it is injuries but from an underperforming strength and conditioning program? This team has been absolutely gutted from injuries and we don't loose that game to the Raiders with a healthy team. Chris Ivory is a shadow of the punishing runner he is and you have guys all over the roster (important cogs) working through nagging injury. I understand Fitz' thumb couldn't have been avoided with proper S&C but hammies, ankles and other soft tissue pulls/sprains are definitely manageable with a regimented conditioning. Perhaps this element of the organization deserves some scrutiny.
The entire league is littered with injuries. It's not a Jets problem, it's an NFL/modern football problem.
Have you looked around the league? Every football fan of a different team I know is complaining about injuries. It's the league pretending to care about the health of their players by limiting contact practices and making it worse. Look up the history of Yellowstone Park and the "conservation efforts" that almost completely destroyed it. Same concept.
Chris Ivory is a shadow of the back he was earlier in the season because he already has 115 carries in 6 games. He had 100 in 5, at 20 carries a game going into Sunday. He runs too hard to take that workload. It's just a question of when he is going to break down. The Jets really need to find a change-of-pace back to carry the ball 10-15 times a game or Ivory will be running on his knees by December.
As slimjasi said, it's not just a Jets' problem, but a league-wide problem. Part of it is due to the lack of two-a-days, and the lack of live hitting in practice during the week. It may keep the players from being as sore, but I think doesn't really have them in top football shape for the pounding and stresses their bodies get in games. That said, it doesn't hurt to take a look at that and wonder. Sometimes it can make a difference. I remember it having made a difference on Jets teams from one year to the next and in some years, other teams were having those injuries while the Jets didn't.
Jets are actually doing pretty good with injuries in comparison to the rest of the league. knocks on a really hard piece of wood
We've already had 2 OL go out for games, our starting QB got knocked out, our starting SS got knocked out, our #3 WR essentially got retired, both our main receivers have been banged up, our change-of-pace back has been out for games now, I'm not so sure we're doing that well in the injury department. Losing our starting SS, C and QB is a pretty hefty trifecta. We had replacement players in the middle of the field on Sunday and it showed. And of course we got burned by terrible tackling all over the place but part of that was due to injury (Pryor) and part of it was due to us signing one of the worst tacklers in NFL history to play CB.
I hear ya man but does it not seem more rampant than recent years or is that just my perspective? I don't recall such a wide swath of injury across the roster as I see now. Some of the posters here are great with stats and facts, I can only base my assertions on experience. Could it be that strength and conditioning has gone by the wayside with teams less willing to invest time/money on effective and knowledgeable staff and techniques? I've always considered this a 'no expense spared' facet of the team mentality.
its bad but look around. Buffalo has been missing nearly their entire day 1 offense for longer stretches. Baltimore is decimated. Pittsburgh, Dallas, Green Bay, New England.. all have been bit harder than the Jets and there is probably more. prior to the New England game ESPN had the Jets pegged as the most fortunate team in the league. Obviously losing what they did the last 2 weeks would change that if written today but most of the injuries are of the weekly variety and not the dreaded season ending variety. First 4 weeks I don't think there was a healthier team in football than the Jets. http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/page/32for32x151021/ranking-most-banged-nfl-teams-1-32
Mangold hurt his neck when he got knocked head first into another player Owusu has a history of concussions that predates his time with the Jets Ivory has a history of leg injuries that predates his time with Jets Fitz getting hurt was a fluke Geno getting hurt was because he didn't get out of bounds to avoid the hit, then he got blasted with a helmet first hit to midsection later in the game I don't really any of those as strength and conditioning problems
Not necessarily, it stands to reason that a well conditioned player's chances of becoming hurt either from a contact or non-contact type injury could be reduced with proper training. Obviously, concussed players can't lessen the severity of a concussion with training but others can.
Paging Mr. DaBallHawk, we need you in the injury thread. Is this not exactly what I said was going to happen with Ivory? The only difference is it seemed to happen much earlier than I anticipated.
With the way the defense played, I just don't see it. We didn't force them to punt until there was 8 minutes left in the 4th quarter. AND, that only happened because they dropped a pass on third down. The defense was asleep yesterday.
Yes, they can be reduced. Just not eliminated. That's where you need to actually start your argument. Not just demonizing the conditioning program. Research is your friend.
Hold on now, saying, "Perhaps this element of the organization deserves some scrutiny." Is not exactly a scathing damn nation of the conditioning program. ...but you're correct, research is my friend.
