I think if we have a losing record by week 13 we should plug Clemens in and not look back. We will more than likely be 4-6 at week 11...so if we lost another game after that I don't see the point in keeping Chad in.
If Clemens can stop the run as a DT I'd put him in the next game. As we've discussed in the Pennington thread, when it makes sense to go that way I'm sure Mangini will put him in. He's shown no fear of using rookies and young players, I don't think it would be any different at QB.
Chad should be benched if we loose the next two games because we have to see what Clemens can do. Period. We are playing for the future this year and unfortunatley I do not see Chad as a part of it.
Yes...and it is not a question of benching Chad, but of grooming the future...as long as our season looks about done, i really think it is time to see what the kid can do. A number of rookies are already starting this year and overall have done pretty well for rookies. While I realize that b-schott's O is probably too complicated for a rookie to run at this point, i still think he needs some action with a scaled down version. Chad gives us our best chance to win now, but since now doesn't really seem to matter in the long run, kellen gives us our best chance to win in the future.
I don't think so. I think the Jets are in rebuilding mode and they'll stay with Chad until they're ready to give Clemens a shot. My best guess is he starts game 13 and finishes the season as the starter. Chad's play was great the first few weeks of the season, but he has been less and less effective since then and has thrown 7 picks in the last 4 games. I don't see the Jets looking at Chad as the QB of the future right now. They're looking at him as a guy who can help them stay respectable in a rebuilding year. As soon as the respectable factor starts to go he will lose the job. If the Jets beat the Pats or Bears he might hold the job until the end of the season, but if they lose both he is probably only the starting QB for a couple of games after that.
My expectation was to win between 5-6 games this season. Im glad to say we will win more because of the weak schedule. With that said it does not change my opinion of chad or the team. After the Bear Game we should play for the future and that future does not include Chad pennington.
I agree as well and that stat for Chad is not a good one. 7 INT's over the last 4 games? That's almost 2 a game. I am almost certain he will struggle against the Pats and Bears so who knows at this point.
There's another reason to get Clemens a few starts this year: the Jets need to know if they are going to have to draft a QB next year on day 1. With Leon Washington playing so well the Jet's need list has shrunk some. But they still need to know if QB is on it.
start Chad the rest of the year, hopefully go 9-7, keep his value high, and ship him off to Tampa Bay to reunite with Hacket, who is going to need a QB.
That's an argument. Jon Gruden nearly won a Super Bowl in Oakland with a QB just like Chad but less talented. I'm not sure Gruden liked being married to Rich Gannon but you can't argue with their success over a several season span. I still think the injury history is going to depress Chad's value enough that it's not worth playing him just to maintain that value. I'd be shocked if he brought a first day pick in a trade.
Even if Clemens played poorly this year (if he even plays to begin with), I highly doubt the Jets would spend another 1st day pick on a QB next draft. Defense is such a huge concern for next year I think they may spend three picks on the defense like they did with the offense last draft. OLB, NT, and DE are huge needs. If there is any need on offense I would say it is probably a RT or RG. We still have some room for improvement on the Oline.
A team goes nowhere without a decent QB though as the Jets have shown this year, winning 4 of the 6 games where Chad played well and losing both of the games where he played poorly. To win in the NFL you need to have the QB position resolved. The Ravens and Bears are perfect examples of teams that had most of the pieces but no QB and could not win. The way for the Jet's rebuilding to turn into a perpetual process is for them not to find the next QB fast enough and waste several seasons looking. The reason the Pat's pulled off the miracle they did is that Belichik took a leap of faith on his 6th round backup and left the 50 million dollar QB on the bench after his injury was resolved. I like Chad a lot, but I also know that if he is not performing at a high level on the field he is not the answer for this team. Performing at a high level 75% of the time doesn't cut it. He needs to be 95% of his peak performance in every start if the Jets are going to win with him, because his peak is not Peyton Manning's peak or Carson Palmer's peak, it's well below that.
i love Chad as much as anyone else, but i don't think his playing time should depend on a timetable or Playoff contention; rather, if he continues to play poorly, then he sits. the Browns aren't a very good D -- not bad, but not good either. yet, Chad looked afraid and terribly inaccurate. because we'll play the Pats and Bears - two elite Defenses - Chad will have a built-in excuse if he doesn't perform well. which is why his playing time should rest soley on his performance. if he plays poorly vs. NE and Chicago, just like he played poorly against Jax and Cleveland, then maybe it's time to look at Clemens. i think Clemens needs evaluation this year because next year we will almost certainly be in the hunt. but if Chad can't win us a big game, then the hunt won't matter. i want to be in contention, confident that the QB can take us to the next level. personally, Chad doesn't look like he's that QB. Chad has every intanglible a QB needs, but he hasn't shown any evidence of having the capability of winning the BIG game. i mean c'mon, he couldn't carry Andrew Walter's jock (that was for you, Raiderjoe). cheers
this is ridiculous...Pennington is the guy and will be the guy. he gives us the best chance to win BY FAR. every QB in the league has slumps, and given that penny was pretty much out all last season, and has had 2 surgeries on the same shoulder, ups and downs are to be expected. but give the guy a break...when he's at his best he's one of the best in the league. i imagine he'll have many more great games this year. he's totally a leader and it shows. he had a really bad game in cleveland, and still technically put it into OT. We gotta roll with him. I hope he finishes the year strong an gets resigned.
The time for Chad will soon be at an end. If we go to 4-6 after the Bear game as expected our season is over and it is time to start preparing for the future. What if we had that same thinking and played Barlow and left Washington on the bench or even worse leave Cotchery on the bench for two seasons like Herm did and not know Wr was not as bad as predicted before the season started. It is better to bench Chad a year to early as opposed to a year to late and be in the same situation as Green Bay where you have a Qb that will be done any day now and not know what to do come draft time because they are keeping Aaron Rogers on the bench. Greenbay not benching or releasing Farve out of loyalty is putting that franchise five years in the hole because they have no idea what to do with the Qb situation. Brady Quinn will be available and they have no clue wheater they should go after him because Aaron Rogers has not played because the fans don't want Farve benched. If Farve retires after the season the packers are screwed no matter what they do. Let's not be naive Jet fans and allow our team to make the same mistake out of false hope in a possible first round playoff massacre if we make it.
only because our backup's abilities in the long term are essentially unknown. I am sure the Pats a 5 years ago said Bledsoe gave them the best chance to win until they put in Brady (whether out of neccessity or not is irrelevent) and found out what they had. I'll agree, Chad gives us the best chance to win more games THIS YEAR than any other QB on our roster, but what gives us the best chance to win more games over the next decade? I'm not saying it is absolutely Clemmens, but if it is, he can't do it on the bench. He has to start his first game at some point, even if that means a step back for the short term. is your argument that the Jets keep Chad until they get an established Pro-Bowl starting QB? that isn't going to happen. the Jets are probably going to have to groom a young inexperienced kid who doesn't give the Jets a better chance of winning than Chad does immediately. or is your position that you start Chad for the next five years, or until he is absolutely terrible, and thus by default a young QB gives the Jets a better chance to win because he couldn't be any worse than Chad at that point? that hardly sounds like a good plan.
The idea of this thread is ignorant. Should he play? Yeah, if the situation comes out, such as an injury to Chad or a complete meltdown. But, at this point, no, he shouldn't play based on the (non) performance of Chad Pennington so far. It's ignorant to do so. This thread is pretty much a "Do you think Chad will continue to regress or will he improve?" There is no need to throw in a 2nd round rookie when you're still .500. If our quarterback was someone like Kurt Warner or Drew Bledsoe or some other older veteran QB, it would be a different story, but Pennington is still 30 years old.
what would playing Clemmens over Chad be ignorant or unaware about? it isn't a matter of his age, it is a matter of whether he is the long term solution for the Jets at QB. that meaning, does he posses the ability to be a Super Bowl winning QB, or have we seen how good Chad Pennington will ever be and we don't think it will be enough. there are plenty of QB's 30 years and younger who are not long term solutions at QB's, that is why they ride the bench behind older starting QB's.
