Moneyball

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  1. KingRoach

    KingRoach Well-Known Member

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    I think there's a chance that the new moneyball semi-gm goes for a less risky position in the first round of the draft. No positions are 100% safe but some are more safe than others and almost half (edit 40% bc some people are very anal) the starting QBs in the league were drafted in later rounds and given time to develop.

    What are the odd that the Browns do the "safe" thing and plan for the future?
     
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  2. German Jets Fan

    German Jets Fan 2007 TGG.com Rookie of the Year Award Winner

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    Like who? Brady Taylor and Romo were really late Picks/FAs, and the Jury is still out on Taylor. There are a couple of middle round picks (Wilson, Foles, Cousins), but only Wilson is really great. Everyone else was picked high. If you need a QB, your best chance ist to pick one early.
     
  3. NYJFan10

    NYJFan10 Well-Known Member

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    Let's see...high picks: Carson Palmer (1), Matt Ryan (3), Joe Flacco (18), Cam Newton (1), Jay Cutler (11), Peyton Manning (1), Matt Stafford (1), Aaron Rodgers (24), Andrew Luck (1), Blake Bortles (3), Alex Smith (1), Ryan Tannehill (8) lol, Teddy Bridgewater (32), Drew Brees (32-technically a 2nd rounder then), Eli Manning (1), Sam Bradford (1), Ben Roethlisberger (11), Phil Rivers (4), Jamieus Winston (1), Marcus Mariota (1)

    Low picks (re: below first round): Tyrod Taylor (180), Andy Dalton (35), Josh McCown (81), Tony Romo (UDFA), Brian Hoyer (UDFA), Tom Brady (199), Ryan Fitzpatrick (250), Derek Carr (36), Colin Kaepernick (36), Russel Wilson (75), Nick Foles (88), Kirk Cousins (102)

    Actually it seems like the majority of starting QB's are first round picks though there are a 'few' notable exceptions below the first round. Half the starting QB's in the league are 1-11 picks
     
  4. KingRoach

    KingRoach Well-Known Member

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    Seriously? 19-13 isn't almost half? Would 18-14 be almost half? How about 17-15?
    Yes I'm counting Brees as 2nd round bc he was one.
    Would this make you feel better, 40% of last years starting QBs weren't drafted in the first round?
     
  5. CJLang

    CJLang Well-Known Member

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    Only 11 non-first rounders are bonified starters in the NFL.
    Tyrod Taylor (180), Andy Dalton (35), Tony Romo (UDFA), Tom Brady (199), Ryan Fitzpatrick (250), Derek Carr (36), Colin Kaepernick (36), Russel Wilson (75), Nick Foles (88), Kirk Cousins (102), Drew Brees (32-technically a 2nd rounder then).

    Out of those, 4 were taken in the with the first 5 picks of the 2nd round. I would hardly consider these picks mid-round.
    Andy Dalton (35), Derek Carr (36), Colin Kaepernick (36), Drew Brees (32-technically a 2nd rounder then).

    Of the 7 left, only 3 could be considered franchise QB's. Brady, Wilson, Romo. The jury is still out on Taylor and Cousins, and Fitz is a decent QB but hardly could be considered a franchise QB.
     
  6. KingRoach

    KingRoach Well-Known Member

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    Who said anything about midround?
    Psst let me tell you a secret the Browns have the first pick in the second round.
     
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  7. NYJFan10

    NYJFan10 Well-Known Member

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    40% is almost half? Whatever. And Foles/Hoyer will probably lose their jobs any minute, perhaps McCown too.
     
  8. KingRoach

    KingRoach Well-Known Member

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    Foles already lost his starting job (to a non first rounder) And you're implying that the others will be replaced with previous 1st round picks? Maybe JaMarcus is going to make a comeback? or Johnny Football is going to shape up? Don't forget that Manning won't be the starter in Denver next year so that 40% could easily become 43.75%. Is that close enough to half for you?

    So you're getting this excited about me suggesting that the Browns don't take a QB with their #2 pick. Have the Browns proven that they are a good judge of QB talent in the past?

    I'm not saying that you're the simplest person on this board but I won't argue with the person that does.
     
  9. NYJFan10

    NYJFan10 Well-Known Member

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    lol I'm not 'excited' about anything in this thread and I'm not even disputing the Browns may not take a QB with the #2 pick but I don't think it has anything to do with a valuation system, there just aren't QB's worthy of being top pick status this year although QB's may still get selected there cause teams are desperate and the Browns may still be one of those teams, moneyball or not
     
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