I have always thought that, had the Jets chosen Marino, and the Dolphins ended up with O'Brien (which probably wouldn't have happened, but bear with me) that Marino, with his quick release, wouldn't have been as stymied by the Jets terrible line, and would have excelled with Wesley Walker, Mickey Shuler, Freeman McNeil, and Johnny Hector at the skill positions, not to mention the D we were fielding in the mid-80s. Marino might have been good enough that Lam Jones could have made receptions without learning to catch. That probably means we're never in position to draft Toon in '85, but I think every Jets fan from that era has already imagined Marino throwing to Wesley Walker and Al Toon. As good as Walker, real running backs, and formidable D would have made Marino, O'Brien would have really done so much better behind a top-5 O-line, I think he could have made the AFC East of that period amazing to watch. 1) The 49ers probably beat the Steelers in the '84 Super Bowl instead of the Dolphins. Probably less of a blowout, and makes it a serious Dynastic hand-off. 2) The '85 Bears probably go undefeated. They lost because Marino needed half a second less than any other QB to throw, and the 'Fins O-line was good enough to give him a quarter second more than anybody else got against the Bears that year. 3) The Marino Jets (instead of the Eason Pats) meet the O'Brien 'Fins in the '85 AFCCG. 4) The '85 Bears vs the Sack Exchange in the Super Bowl. A heck of a lot more EPIC than the Fridge getting a rushing TD in a blowout. No matter which team wins, in this scenario, history wins. Walter Payton probably even gets a TD instead of looking sad on the bench. 5) A much more balanced Dolphins team and a much more consistent Jets team prevent the Bills from dominating the AFC into 4 straight Super Bowl embarrassments. 6) Championjets69 develops a reputation on TGG as a homer who always looks at the Jets' prospects through rose colored glasses.
People think theres this magic wand that franchises have where they develop QBs.A guy either has it or he doesnt....Most QBs these days are either good right away or by year two.There are no more " let a QB sit for 4 years" and we will develop him into something not resembling a peice of shit.Thats why I can tell you with certainty that Bryce Petty isnt a starting QB nor will he ever be.If he was the answer and a franchise QB he would be playing.....Fans act like the coaching staff has some secret weapon there holding back by not letting him start.Petty isnt starting because Petty isnt good enough.We wont draft a franchise QB under this regime...Maccs draft record is already awful
Yeah man that one stings! The 49ers game next week reminds me of that titans one regarding draft implications. Only difference is that QB's aren't going #1 and #2 in the 2017 draft. BUT maybe we can end up with the #2 pick if the 49ers beat us and then LA the following week
There's plenty of talent to be found in the lower rounds and free agentry. But until proven otherwise, our front office needs a good bit of luck finding it.
This was almost word-for-word what I was going to say. I can't see any argument about Namath, O'Brien, and Pennington, and of course two of the three had their careers derailed by injury. I wouldn't put Todd anywhere near a franchise QB - in fact, in all the years I watched him I never thought he was ever more than average. I think the comparison with Sanchez is quite apropos, except Sanchez's better years were at the beginning of his career, and Todd's were in the middle.
According to this site Brett Ratliff and Matt Simms would've been Hall of Famers. JStokes was all on Tajh Boyd and Petty so obviously they will be great for us.
Mac's draft record isn't awful, but regardless, whatever his record is, it's 1,000,000 times better than yours as a poster.
ugh.....the memories of that draft. anyway, don shula is on record (from an interview way back in 84 or 85) saying the dolphins were not taking obrien. if i recall he stopped short and did not answer whether obrien was/wasn't on their board. i tell u those jets had some good offensive players - not all studs, but effective players that marino likely would have exploited far better than obrien. and even with that porous OL the number of sacks would have likely been halved.
And yet we had to watch 2 years of Geno sucking ass, and there are still people on this board that think he can be a franchise QB. So whats the problem with watching 4 games of Petty mop up duty this season? At worst you improve your draft position. At best you have a QB to build the team around.
Marino could step up in the pocket and avoid a sack better than any pocket QB I've ever seen, and got rid of the ball faster than any QB not named Namath. He would have beasted in NY. Compare our D and our running game against Miami's in the 80's. O'Brien wouldn't have gone to Miami, but if he had gone to any place with a strong O-line (Buffalo, Washington, Dallas, Miami, Cincinnati come to mind) with his arm and his accuracy, he would have done a lot better than he did for us. Just my opinion.
Was our offensive line really that bad the whole time O'Brien was here or is it fair to suggest the man just held onto the damn ball too long?? 1985 for example, he was sacked over 60 times but the offensive line must not have been too bad as McNeil and Hector were both able to run all over everyone. I am not saying he's not the second best QB here behind Namath, because he is, but the idea that poor O'Brien struggled because he had no O-line is my issue- I believe that was one of O'Brien's weaknesses that would've followed him anywhere
O'Brien did hold the ball too long, and I agree that it would have followed him anywhere. I think his problem was made worse because his OLs were inadequate at pass protection. Just because his OLs excelled in run blocking doesn't mean that they were as good at pass protection.
Take a look at the QB Stats for 1984: http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/nyj/1984.htm in 203 attempts, Ken O'Brein was sacked 22 times in 285 attempts, Pat Ryan was sacked 30 times Almost an Identical Ratio.
yeah but that's one year Hackett. Kenny O was here for 9 seasons with numerous groups of offensive linemen and he got sacked a lot no matter who they suited up. Look, I liked O'Brien, I'm not trashing him, every QB has weaknesses. One of his biggest was that he held onto the football too long. In my opinion that kind of thing follows you around no matter where or with who you play with.
