Guys. Forget those 2nd's. We're now in position to strike (premium #3 + boat load of cap-space).

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  1. shasta01

    shasta01 Active Member

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    Fair enough, but it's an all or nothing move now, hit on their franchise QB, or they are setting themselves back years. If they had stayed at 6 and blown the QB pick, they would at least have those 3 other picks to help build the roster.
     
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    GasedAndConfused Well-Known Member

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    Apparently the jets have been loving Allen since late last year. then of course there is rosen and danrold. he could also be aware of who the giants covet at 2. If it's barkely and the browns take a QB, he could make a move with the giants up to 2 to secure rosen as well and the giants get an extra pick and barkley. Mac knows a lot more then we do right now, I'm willing to trust there is a player at 3 he loves, that he feels wouldn't have been there at 6 hence the move.
     
  3. shasta01

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    You may be correct, but there is nothing in his history to justify him being given this benefit of the doubt. In fact there is far more evidence that he shouldn't be given the benefit of the doubt.
     
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    based on what exactly? adams was a great pick 6th overall, as was williams. If you look at the only draft you can truly judge (3 years to judge a draft) Lee was a good pick at the time, and turned out better then any other player picked in the 1st round behind him. Sure he whiffed on hack in the 2nd, and smith sadly can't stay healthy another wasted 2nd round pick, But he also found our starting RT in the 5th, and a stud WR as an UDFA. Mac has drafted better then most GMs over the past 3 years.
     
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    There will always be a stigma against Mac for picking Hack. He can cleanse himself of that stink if he can draft a starting quality qb a 3 this year. If it busts, doesn't matter how many late round picks he hit on, or a udfa wr, he will go down as another failure at the GM position.
     
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    Based on, well reality!!! A Safety with the 6th overall pick is the one of the dumbest, most questionable moves any GM could ever make. That's not to mention the fact that the Jets wouldn't even be in the QB market if they hadn't let their franchise QB slip right by them to Houston. Add to the fact that they wouldn't have to give up four potential starters for a shot at picking their QB this year. Look, Mac has been awful at worst and very questionable at best, doesn't take a rocket scientist to acknowledge that.
     
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    clearly you have no ability to judge anyone. Any position is worth the 6th pick outside of Kicker and punter, as long as the talent level is there. and with adams it was, he was widely regarded as a top 3 player in the draft, him falling to 6 and us landing him is a steal.

    based on what? You think we should have reached for watson at 6? that's insane. Sure he looked great in a few games he played before blowing out his knee, but even RG3 looked great as a rookie and sucked. lets not anoint some guy who played 5 games as someone we missed out on.

    whats the opposite of a rocket scientist? because that's the only way i could describe someone who made a post like this
     
  8. shasta01

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    Reached? What exactly is a reach? Are you saying because some "Draft Guru" say player X should be taken here or there, somehow that's law? The only thing that matters with where a player is taken is can they play, and do they make your team better. Mac has an awful draft record and as far as taking a safety at six over your potential Franchise QB, you're already paying for it, but you don't want to believe it.
     
  9. DefenseWinsChampionships

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    Was not just "draft guru's" who knew that Jamal Adams was deserving of a top 3 pick. Stealing him at 6; was indeed a steal. College football coaches and NFL scouts knew the same. Blue chip prospect to a 'T'.

    I'm an FSU fan (ACC) but I'm a huge fan of SEC defenses and anyone with any type of college football insight not only knew but also understood what type of game changer and defensive force Jamal Adams truly was while coming out.

    And oh yea, everyone knew heading into last year's draft (including Macc that 2018's QB class of Sam Darnold, Josh Rosen, Josh Allen, Baker Mayfield and Lamar Jackson were the cream of the crop come this years QB class.

    So not only did we land a BEAST SEC safety from LSU during last years draft; but we're NOW in great position to strike for gold at pick #3 on a Franchise QB... THIS YEAR.

    And here you are, still complaining about "not getting a QB last year" when someone such as Watson ALREADY suffered an ACL injury.

    Funny how fans think.
     
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  10. shasta01

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    Did you even watch Adams play last year? How delusional do you have to be to convince yourself what you saw was Beast? To any objective observer he was a lot closer to Beast minus the ae and add a U.
     
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    Did you not know he was only a ROOKIE while watching last year? Jesus Christ.

    I never knew that Ed Reed or Ronnie Lott were indeed "Ed Reed and Ronnie Lott" during only their rookie seasons.

    Do you not understand the process of a rookie season and 2nd year development; before heading into their 3rd year? Because if not. You don't understand the draft and/or the process of player development (especially as a starter).

    Jamal Adams will be an absolute animal come year 3.
     
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    think what you want to think man
     
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    I never knew that a rookie who not only played but also started all 16 games (as a rookie) and recorded 63 tackles, 6 passes defended, 2 sacks and 2 Forced Fumbles were that of a "BUST".

    Laughable at it's finest.

    And if as a 2nd year player he records 80+ tackles, 10 Passes Defended, 2 INT's, 4 sacks and 4 Fumbles Forced.... Would he still be "labeled" as a "BUST". Because that's the type of impact he could make as a 2nd-3rd year athletic talent.
     
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    with adams the stats don't do him justice. he played essentially 3 positions for us pretty much in an equal time share, slot CB, LBer, and Safety. His versatility is what we can build a defense around.
     
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    You're out of your mind, he's Ed Reed now, Ronnie Lott, really? The BEAST as you call him didn't look like he belonged on an NFL field for much of last season. Sorry, but he's going to have to be Ed Reed or Ronnie Lott to justify being picked there, not to mention the fact that the rules of the game now negate the value of a guy like Ronnie Lott or ED Reed. It's the dumbest thing in the world, but I'm sure he'll develop nicely, just like that 5'5" LB the Jet were so lucky fell to them.
     
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    He better be if he's going to have any chance to justify that draft status.
     
  17. DefenseWinsChampionships

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    I think it's already Justified. Just ask Bowles and Macc. I'll take their word over yours. You won't see NYJ drafting FS or SS for the next 8+ years.

    HAH!
     
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    Exactly.

    If you could get a Franchise Safety followed by a Franchise QB the following draft.... I'd say that's not a bad problem to have and in regards to Adams it's his versatility that's going to turn this kid into a special, special, special defensive X-Factor.
     
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  20. GasedAndConfused

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    Not to mention this years QB class is better then last years. There wasn't anyone for us to take at 6 last year at all. As a GM you always have to be 2 steps ahead. Not to mention the signing of teddy was a good one, if his knee holds up, he's a legit starting QB in the NFL. Mccown is here in case teddy can't return to form. I'm suprised we haven't cut petty yet, i'd assume we would after the draft. I think hack is still eligible for the PS
     

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