I think this is a bigger problem in the NFL than other sports because the NFL is run by control freaks, who ultimately would love to be able to run games with players hooked up to electrical impulses so they could be played like a video game. Everyone is expected to fit their "mold" and not rock the boat. This is where Rosen is either a "troublemaker" or "refreshing" depending on your POV. I like it, and think his "attitude" would play great in NY, but not so much places like Cleveland or Buffalo. Of course he'll have to learn to refine his comments, but he's a smart kid and will do so...there's already evidence of that. I think he would provide a great contrast to the "say nothing Bowles".
I think that video was good, minus that clown Cowturd. The thing everyone is saying is that the staff of the team that drafts him needs to stimulate him and be on the same intellectual level and not be intimidated by it. I say negative. That's obviously the media talking, led by Mora. But if the staff that drafts him has that mindset I'd be worried. I think the HC should treat him like everybody else, a football player. I think Rosen needs to be put in his place if he doesn't already understand it. He's still a kid and he needs to learn some lessons, and with him it could be some seriously painful lessons learned. If we draft him I hope Bowles treats him like a man but never tries to tip toe around this guys personality. Fuck that, and Mora. It's football gtfo with anything else. If the kid wants to be part of the game plan fine. But if this guy thinks he's above anybody that's bs. One of the things that brings guys down as much as anything is the ability and willingness to adjust to the NFL monster as a young person. That is no joke. I don't care who the HC is.
The thing is that in an interview, he can't sit there and think about what's the best answer for 30 minutes or longer. He has a few seconds in which to respond. I think you're being too harsh/critical. I have to work for a living, and his comments didn't bother or insult me.
I really don't get all the concern about Rosen's football motivation. Go watch Curtis Martin's HOF induction speech about how he didn't ever care about football, it was just a means to an end.
Can someone please merge every single QB thread about QB prospects Darnold/Mayfield/Rosen/Allen into something that is 9,000 pages long? It's getting mildly tiresome to slog through them all. I can't wait for 'The Jets Dunces Have Selected a Dunce' come October. You know it's coming. I'm not getting on the OP, but it's starting to turn into those old Ty Law threads. However, those were more fun than these.
This article in the NY Post details what Dan Shonka who is a long time scout for several NFL teams and currently head scout for Our Lads thinks about the current QBs coming out: https://nypost.com/2018/04/17/one-draft-qb-spared-in-scouts-scathing-draft-take-cow-on-ice/ Of course it's just another opinion, but the guy DOES have years of experience. Enjoy!
I say Allen, but it was close to Rosen. Rosen grew up as a 1%er in Manhattan, and after the injury history he already has, I can see him calling it quits after one more injury or serious concussion. Rosen doesn't need to money at all and he is high maintenance. His elitist attitude has cause problems in High School and college. Darnold and Mayfield are the safest picks and the ones who I want. We will be able to get one of them at #3.
“Everybody pumping these guys up,” Shonka said, “hasn’t studied film or is looking at too many highlight films on YouTube.” No need for Shonka to knock people with different opinions. Especially when they're better than he is. https://zonecoverage.com/2018/featured/who-constructed-the-best-big-board-of-the-2015-nfl-draft/
The problem with your critique of Rosen is that to be wealthy does not mean someone must feel entitled to that wealth. To make that claim that he is entitled simply because he is wealthy reflects your own personal issues, it doesn’t reflect anything about Rosen. One can be wealthy and not feel that they are inherently deserving of the benefits of that wealth. And privilege is a meaningless, coded criticism, almost exclusively levied at white males (the disparate impact of such inherently making it a racist term) under the guise that it reflects some meaningful social dynamic when in fact it is a simply an attempt to distract from the transparent motivation to criticize someone for a particular trait, like being wealthy or white. Being privileged in the sense that Rosen never has to work a low paying job to ensure he doesn’t starve doesn’t mean he is entitled to not have to work to succeed. The fact that you state those two concepts together reveals you think Rosen must feel he is entitled to his privilege. Of course, you can likely not cite anything to defend such a claim. His very mention of not having to work at McDonalds in no way was a negative statement about anyone who does; it was clearly an honest self reflective statement that he understood he was fortunate that he’d never had to, but that was also a reasonably defensive argument because the criticism he was addressing with it was that he did didn’t love football simply because he didn’t have the financial need to play, which is a ludicrous criticism to make; that only poor athletes have motivation to succeed based on financial gain. It doesn’t seem you understood his statements at all.
You must be joking. Mayfield is playing at an NFL level? Stop already. If you mean him looking like Mariotta at best, you nailed it. If you mean the JETS will prosper by drafting him, and him leading our team into the future as a Super Bowl contender.... You have only been more wrong when analyzing Hack after his drafting. I'm sure you loved it when we traded away our future to pick Nacho too. Did you use to call yourself JUNC? I believe so.
You are very confused. Your statement pretty much tries to distract and change the subject from the solo issue of whether or not Rosen's statement about not having to work at McDonald's is immature. You try to bring up my intent. I expressed no intent nor does it matter. The sole question is whether or not Rosen's statement about not having to work at McDonald's is immature. You bring up Rosen's intent. It does not matter what his intent and for the record I don't think he meant to offend anyone he was just being a kid and being stupid with his words. It does not matter his intent as some people will be offended and his statement was insensitive. It does not matter whether or not offends me or some person on a message board but it will offend some people who look on him as privileged and feel is saying he is to good to work to work a job they work and their life is beneath them. It does not matter if his statement is true or not true as it will still have the same harmful effect. He did this for no reason other than he did not think and lacked discipline in choosing his words without care. If you look at his whole statement you can see that lack of discipline or maturity where he just talks for the sake of talking contradicting himself over and over. His statement was against his own self interest. He had been criticized in the past for being self indulgent, for being out of touch for having problems getting along with others and for being a guy that can cause controversy. He wants to change this image and show teams he can stay out of trouble and be the face of their franchise. What does he do but immediately go ahead and pick an unneccessary fight and cause controversy. His agent must be horrified as Rosen's hurt himself by his statement. If he is looking for sponsors where he wants to prove that he can be on message, be disciplined and be the kind of guy that they can trust. This did not help. The defining attribute of maturity is empathy to others and showing sensitivity towards others. Showing disipline and impulse control. His comments about McDonald's here were just the opposite. is this a big deal no. Is it evidence of immaturity. Quite clearly yes. But overall it's just a small peice in the puzzle of Josh Rosen. By itself it means very little. He just needs to grow up and think more of others and less of himself. Lastly, you seem to not want to discuss this issue but rather steer the conversation into some twisted political discussion about reverse discrmination or PC language. I am not sure where your anger is coming from but I have no desire to discuss such issues with you. Please find someone else to deal with these issues.
Taking a wider view I will say that I have a feeling this group is not the second coming of 1983 where everybody is a HOF guy. I'm not even sure that when its all said and done the most noise of this group isn't made by one of the less heralded guys like Jackson who maybe goes somewhere and totally puts it all together, or Luke Falk sits a couple years but then the #1 guy gets injured and he turns into Tom Brady lite when given the big break. As far as the lowest floor vote in the OP I went with Mayfield. Floor to me is the realistic worse case scenario, and I can see Baker Mayfield just simply not working out in the NFL due to physical limitations and potentially volatile personality. My guy is Josh Allen but I'd put him next in line actually. I have more faith in him as a human being though than Rosen and Mayfield and I believe his realistic floor is a few pegs above "simply not working out" I see his realistic floor as flashing tantalizing signs of greatness here and there but too many soul crushing Farvian-at-his-worst ints at the worst possible times that keeps his team from consistently making the playoffs.
You used the cliche pop cultural criticisms of privilege and entitlement; if you don’t want to get called on it then don’t use them. But once you use them they become part of the discussion, and reflect more about your intentions than any criticism you attempt to apply to Rosen which you cannot support or defend.
yeah but Curtis needed the money to create a better life for his family. Rosen does not. Huge difference.
Not all rich people are entitled pricks. Josh Rosen is just an entitled prick who happens to be rich. If he has little financial motivation to succeed and play a long time AND he has little love for the game to succeed and play a long time, that doesn't point to a long, resilient career. Johnny Manziel was in that same position, now he's crying about wishing he had a second chance
