I was debating with my co-worker as to how much time Jets fans will grant Mangini before they turn on him. I'm not talking about the doom and gloomers who would turn on Vince Lomabardi after a 3 game losing streak here. I mean Jets fandom in general. For example, will Jets fans be patient enought to potentially go 3-13 next year and then 7-9, and then make a run for the division in '08. Would Mangini last that long? I say that given what I've read on this board, Jets fans have acknowledged the rebuilding reality and that expectaions aren't very high for the team to turn it around at least record-wise for the next few years. My co-worker thinks that Mangini is a lamb being led to slaughter.
I can definitely see a Belichick-in-Cleveland type of situation happening if Mangini doesn't show some definite progress right away. I don't think the majority of Jets fans would turn against him after one season though. I think if by season two we're at 7-9 or 8-8 and showing signs of improvement, he'll have us for at least a few more years. However, if we don't get to a championship game in five years or so you will start to see people jumping ship. I mean, Edwards made the playoffs his first two years and three out of five and you saw how people turned against him.
Im willing to give him a year and a half pass then i will be critical of his flaws. But i am willing to grasp the concept that we have 2 be patient with Mangini
I could not agree with you more GreenHornet. If we are going to win just a few let them be NE & Miami.
For me personally, it was not the win-loss record that turned me against Herm, it was the way in which he coached. Repeating the same mistakes over, and over, and over.........convinced me that he had plateaued and would never bring us a championship. With regard to Mangini....if he shows improvement and proves himself a competent coach, I think Jets fans (mostly) will give him an opportunity to succeed.
Amazing how quickly we start talking about new coaches and their shelf lives. I for one think that developing a team takes a bit of time. First, you have to see what your players will do under the new system, then weed out the ones that dont fit, then find ones that will. That to me is a 3 year process. Cower, Fischer, and others took time to get it right, and ownership allowed the process to develop. But then again, the Jets and Raiders are not known for patience in this area in recent years.
NY fans know their football.... There's more to improving thatn you W/L record and Saban came right out and said it last year that W/L meant nothing last year or in any 1st year of a new Regime that needs to cut dead wood, build and OL and find a QB..... If we see the QB of the future and an OL developing with a solid defense - where Manginin should excel, then by the 3rd year the team shoudl compete... Worst part about Herm was his specialty was supposed to be DB's and defense and the defense had it's share of problems expecially the DB's and the FA talent they brought in... Hopefully with Mangini you'll see a much more innovative defense from the get-go. But, I don't see NY being any more impatient than any other team in the NFL - They sure make a quick switch in Detroit - is it any easier there? Either you win after 3 years or you don't that's the breaks no matter where you are.
Yeah, but if he goes 0-2, or worse, 0-4 in the next two years vs NE, he will be crucified. Student will never better the teacher, and that just doesnt work when they are division rivals.
I don't see a 3-13 record for us this year, maybe a 6-10 at worst. We still have a good enough defense to contend in most games and if we can get any offense whatsoever then we'll be good to go. Last year's numerous injuries was the absolute worst thing that could have happened and we still won 4 games. No way can we sink that low again, can we??? I've said this a few times- 2007 will be our coming out party!!
I think NY is on a different level from frachises in other areas. New Yorkers expect to win, and if you faulter, they jump all over you. Just look at the whole Chad Pennington situation. The guy had us within two field goals of the AFC championship game just a short two season ago. Now, people are very quick to cut off his head and wish we never drafted him at all.
I won't argue Al Davis's short hook, but I honestly think the Jets simply do not hire good coaches. Herm, while he got some good results, outstayed his welcome. Parcells doesn't count because he was a sure thing. Groh left on his own and Carrol and Coslett were run out a bit prematurely, but do you really think any of those guys could have brought a championship? The only good long-term coaches this club has ever had were Michaels and Ewbank, and even their tenures ended in disaster. The Jets simply haven't had good luck with coaches, and that's the reason why it's been 37 years since their last championship. I hope Mangini will reverse the trend but there's really no reason to get my hopes up just yet.
In all seriousness, the New York fan pool, as a whole, is very saavy. Mangini can struggle in the win-loss column next year, but we will be able to tell what kind of man and coach he is by his actions and public statements. Realistically, we have to set our sights on 2007 and beyond. If we are a disgrace to the league in 2007, it will be because of some poignant reasons. We as a fan base will be able to see with our own 2 eyes where the problems are and why they are there. If they keep pointing to the same common denominator, i.e. Manigini, then that would be problematic at that point. So far it would appear that the crew is doing their level headed damndest to tackle an extra-audinary mess. I have no issues with their decision making thus far.
Let's all be thankful that we're not Bills fans. How about ratchedy old Ralph Wilson acknowledging last night that the only reason he voted against the propsed players union offer was because he couldn't understand the proposal. Good grief..
The sure thing didnt quite work out. Groh was terrible. Carrol was a good fire at the time, and coslett was and is a joke. Carrol was about as close as you got to a SB coach, but he just wasnt ready, and bing in the media circus didnt help. As for the Raiders, Bugal, White, Callihan, and others were terrible hires with terrible results. Gruden was a good hire, but trading him for what we got was about as good a move as we could make. Week 4 will tell the tale for both squads. Either we start seeing results, or the ax threads begin, imo
WEEK 4 of the next season, AX threads begin. OH PLEASE. If they start ax threads that early they dont deserve to be in this chat room. And would hope the MOD MAN would stop it before they start. WAY WAY TO SOON.
