I would take the picks, the haul you are talking about is even better than the Herschel Walker robbery Jimmy Johnson pulled on the Vikings. The Colts did the same thing to the Jets but they didn’t need a QB at the time. Colts built a solid oline for any QB who plays for them and ended up signing Rivers as a stop gap. The amount of talent this team is missing is amazing, the opportunity to address the teams level of talent in one draft would be a home run. I would draft Wilson from BYU as I don’t believe in Fields.
If you trade out of Lawrence you simply can’t take Fields — he would forever be compared to Lawrence. Douglas wouldn’t survive that if Fields doesn’t come anywhere near as good. you stockpile the picks, build an OL, and trade one of those first for someone like Matt Ryan or pick up someone like Wentz, if he’s cut, who could potentially have a Ryan Tannehill type turnaround behind your rebuilt OL, and a few meaningful FA acquisitions with all that cap space. But the simplest course is take Lawrence and invest into his success so he becomes the QB he should.
I get that it may be a bit subjective, but if you think of which QBs were labeled “generational talents” you think of Luck, P Manning, Elway...none of these guys flame out. I agree I don’t think anyone was hyping up JaMarcus Russell or Ryan Leaf as “generational” on another note, I am super skeptical on Fields...Lawrence has been great from the go, as a true freshman. Fields has been getting hyped this year, but that school doesn’t produce QBs...their last one busted, I don’t know. I want to see the playoff games to get a first hand look.... but I don’t see him as a 1b to TLs 1a. I see him as a distant 2 to TLs 1
Isn’t that a great problem to have - don’t the good teams just trade those guys who are studs and they can’t afford for more draft capital all the while getting good cheap years out of them for 4 years?
Your saying three 1's, including pick #2 this year, and two 2s, including pick #34 this year. Pfft. Anyone who wouldn't make that trade is a lunatic or a fan of a team that is only a good QB away from the SB - like the Chiefs were. I don't expect Jacksonville would offer that much with Fields available, and I would take less then that for the pick if we had to.
its really a tough call and i find myself going back and forth. yes there is NO GUARANTEE that trevor lawrence will be the next coming. BUT he is one of the best prospects to come out in years (if he comes out) theres also no guarantee that all the draft picks in the world will amount to a mound of shit. but the safe play is always to have more picks. but you also cant pass up on a guy who could be a great qb. dont want another joe montana situation, or another payton manning situation..... being a jets fan is never easy.
Just for continuing the conversation... If you pick up the option on all those players, it means you hit on Fields + 3 other first round picks, odds are is that you're a competitive football team. But anyways, I'd would take Lawrence and run.
The answer to the original question is bound up in the Eli-Rivers trade. The Chargers *did* get that kind of package from the Giants. Eli won 2 Super Bowls and Rivers and the Chargers never got to the Super Bowl. You take the guy who everybody agrees is a likely all-time great. Even if he's not you're sending the wrong message to the team and the fans by settling for the second best QB in that situation. I'm one of the guys who believes that spreading the value out, as long as it is comparable value, is almost always the right way to go. The one exception? When you have a guy that everybody sees as a great QB sitting there at #1. Especially if you're a snakebit franchise like the New York Jets.
Ya but we'd be to good, which would be a real problem. We don't want to do that. This is the level of Trevor Lawrence mania that is currently taking place with some posters.
For me it comes down to this: Trading the #1 pick gives us the best chance at being decent quickly but also limits our ceiling. Keeping the #1 pick makes it less likely we'll immediately become decent but there's a higher chance we turn into a perennial contender for 10-15 years. I would prefer to take the chance that we could be a long term contender for the first time in franchise history. Lots of teams compete for the playoffs without an elite QB but very few teams compete for a Super Bowl without an elite QB.
You take Lawrence and tell the Jags to get lost. I wouldn't even give them the time of day to even discuss the trade unless they were coming with, at the bare minimum, 4 1sts. Then I'd listen...and after they were done I'd politely tell them to get lost.
The easy answer is always drafting Lawrence. There is not a GM past or present that would trade out of drafting Lawrence. We are 3 games away from the best break this franchise has ever gotten.
Exactly! take the fucking QB franchise QBs put you in the playoffs every year...elite QBs win you a Super Bowl this is seriously a no brainer
Except that when the Cowboys traded Herschel to the Vikes they had already drafted their QB (Troy Aikman) with the very 1st pick of the '89 draft (again, PRIOR to the Herschel/Vikings trade). Easy to pull the trigger when you've already addressed the QB position.
I don't know if Lawrence will be a sure-fire FQB or generational BUT I think his absolute floor is competent NFL QB and right now I'd take that in a heartbeat.
You are forgetting one thing, Rivers and Eli both ended up being great QBs. As far as Eli is concerned, the Giants defense carried that team and literally manhandled Aaron Rodgers a FQB and Tom Brady another FQB. To make it sound like Eli was the sole reason is misleading and does not take into account a HOF DE named Strahan and two all pro linemen, Usi and JPP. The next argument we are going to have is simple, The two best QBs of all time were not taken in the first round, Joe Montana, third round pick and Tom Brady taken in the 6th round. We know the Jags are not going to offer anything close to what we are discussing but if they did, and I’m the GM I take the the haul and don’t look back. This build is not going to be done in one year and Jets are going to be a 4 win team with or without TL, that’s how much talent is missing, meaning they will be picking in top of the first round next year and I’m sure there will be another QB that will be highly touted as a FQB. Jets thought they had their FQB in Darnold and look at them now, no talent and no FQB, I take the picks and let JD go to town building this team.
The Jets thought they had their FQB as well in Darnold and look at how that has worked out, it’s never a guarantee, Mahomes taken 10th, Big Ben drafted 11th overall, Montana 3rd round, Brady 6th round, Rodgers 24th pick. There are plenty of examples of QBs who have turned out to be HOF QBs that were not drafted 1st overall. I’m not against TL in any way, shape or form, just looking at the question put before us in this thread, and what I would do if the Jags offered me as GM that bounty for 1st overall pick.
trubisky no. sam yes. the suck for sam started before the season. tua was also a generational talent and would have had even more hype if he didn't blow out a hip his senior year. leaf was argued as better then peyton manning by many. some had him rated a little higher some a little lower. he was generational too. peyton manning wasn't the consensus 1 because of leaf. eli manning wasn't considered one.
many of them are too new to tell but some generational talent Qbs recently have been tua, sam, leaf. yet guys like mahomes, rodgers, brady, wilson, etc were not. it's just another buzz word and the draft is a crap shoot. nothing is guarenteed. sam when we drafted him had the highest prospect rating for a QB since andrew luck
