Jets spent money in previous years on washed up Free Agents. I rather spend the money on Wilson and Sauce. Lock down your own guys when one of them is a Top 10 WR (ESPN article today) and the other one is Top 3 Corner(PFF ranks him #1). BUT we still have to hit on Fields to be excited. If he doesn't work out, we are back to square one and having Sauce and Wilson locked up won't mean much.
Maybe he’s being overpaid. But, maybe he gets even better with this coaching staff change. I’d rather overpay my own guy and take my chances. And he has a one word nickname. He has to stay.
I've been one of the more negative posters on TGG the last few years and have also been consistently right to be negative. But locking up Garrett and Sauce are the right moves. If you have good homegrown players, you pay them before their rookie deal expires.
Which won't happen for two years. What's the hurry? Unless, as I mentioned earlier, the message is being sent out to the team that the MO of the front office is changing, big time. That message was already delivered with Wilson; the hand did not need to be overplayed and holding off with Gardner could send a message to every guy out there about staying hungry.
Disagree…my take on doing that is that it would do more harm than good…all it would do is piss off Sauce…he’s been just as good at his role as GW has been in his own role. We don’t need pissed off disgruntled players…we need young talented guys who are excited to be here. I think this was the right move on both guys…lock up guys a year early is the way to go if they are studs (which both guys are)…it only gets more expensive to wait. They have both earned their deals. They are both young and in their prime. They are both homegrown drafted guys. Seriously…these are EXACTLY the kind of players you want to lock up And this helps set AG and Mouge’s tone and culture. We want great players. We will pay great players. Period. Well done in my book
If you wait two years and they continue to perform well, you’re paying a market price that’s higher two years down the road. We waited on John Abraham, Revis, Leonard Williams, Jamal Adams, etc. They all ended up finding success on other teams except Jamal Adams and maybe even more importantly damaged the Jets on the field and off.
One aspect of all of this that I find very encouraging is that we have a new coaching staff that doesn’t need to jettison our top young talent because they don’t fit the new scheme.
It’s 4 years, on both contracts. It’s basically the Mougey/AG term here and I have no problem with it. They’ll all be gone in 4 years if we don’t perform.
Contract details: https://overthecap.com/player/ahmad-gardner/10049 When this extension kicks in (2027) he'll have the 8th highest cap hit amongst CBs and that's not including any deals signed in the next two years. Just a wildly smart move to get it done now.
That's exactly right. That's one of the reasons Roseman always has stacked rosters (not the only reason but one of). He is extending good players early at the current market price, and then a few years down the road everyone is shocked why he has great guys as such bargains and is able to afford more great players to build these super teams. Another part of it is him trading for draft assets down the road. Many GMs value a pick a few years down the road a lot less, but that time inevitably comes and say a 3d round pick 2/3 years down the road, which Howie was able to get for some washed up veteran or a lower pick today, will be extremely valuable with time. Basically, the goal is to look ahead and take advantage of the opportunities that do necessarily not look as bargains now, but will almost certainly pay dividends down the road. JD never did that, he did the opposite actually. I am glad our current GM has a much better understanding of how to manage a team in a sustainable forward looking way.
by waiting though you end up in the same place we've become familiar with: that is paying for players for what they did in the PAST not what they are doing for us in the present. -- a good example is right above me, broadway shares the contract details. In 2028, Gardner will cost $29mm against the cap. That very same year Jalen Ramsey will cost the Steelers $31mm. Ramsey has already shown signs of decline. He will be 35 years old and costing the Steelers more than Gardner will cost the Jets in the prime of his career. (27, 28 years old). and that bad situation is because the Steelers are paying Ramsey a premium for what he did with Jacksonville and the Rams. That’s usually how the Jets operate!
Broadway's overall point is correct, but it's not because of the specific CAP numbers. These can be manipulated but eventually chickens will come home to roost. It's the actual salary though is where we will get the benefit. So forget about the CAP # for a second. The fact we will have Sauce at 30 mil 4, 5, even 6 years from now (as a team option) could be a great bargain. If he can maintain the level of his 1st 3 years, we may be looking at 10 mil annual savings compared similar players at that time. And yes that will translate into big CAP benefit as well.
Nobody needs disgruntled players. For a guy to be pissed off that he can't get an extension while he still has two years remaining does not represent a problem to me - it is an unrealistic stance to take. The Jets are not locking up these guys "a year early" - it is two years, which gives them at least 34 gams to incur a career altering injury before the extensions kick in. Gardner (hold the sauce) is more of a risk than Wilson in that he appears to have slumped a bit this past year. In all things Jets I prefer a "wait and see" attitude before overreacting; this is just another example. The decision has been made, we can review it forever.
Well, I never proposed waiting two years, I have looked to the middle ground and inflation is a given. Going all in this early exposes the team to a potential loss due to injury much greater than what I see as the normal increase in salaries that can be expected.
No need to wait - both these guys have just been paid for what they did in the past. That's how the NFL works. Both these guys will age at the same rate regardless of when their contracts are signed. If either lasts beyond the extensions or less than four plays is always a legitimate question. While I (optimistically) look towards a sea change in team effectiveness under the new regime, I see no problem in letting it play out and looking at actual results for a while and delaying the risk of catastrophic failure. If the same contract a year from now bore an inflationary increase of a couple million a year it would be just the cost of doing business, covered by the annual increase in TV revenues.
Well said but one risk though. Sauce might go Revis route and hold out if he stays well under market.
Correct, but my point about the cap numbers isn't actually about the cap numbers. APY is a thing, it just is. There's a high level athletes with egos. The APY itself doesn't matter because like you said that can be manipulated but the total value of the contract will absolutely affect the guaranteed money.
The other implied point here is that if we were to wait for two years to sign him (ie. let him play out the last year of his rookie deal and then the team option year), he will be disgruntled because those amounts are low, and if we want to resign him in two years, it for sure will be for a lot more than the $29M … shit, at that point, it’ll probably be closer to $35M
It may be a frustrating stance for sure, but it’s not an unrealistic stance at all…players have egos and the top guys want to be paid like they are the top. It just is what it is. Not saying that you have to cave to them every time, but I am very much in favor of once you know a guy is all that, then extending him a year early rather than at the last year is always going to be better financially because the salaries just keep going up all year. It’s the definition of short term pain for long term gain…it hurts the cap this year but helps down the road. The injury argument to me is a false argument…sure of course injuries happen all the time, but the risk of injury will always be there…unless there is a specific reason to think a player is more injury prone than normal, then that’s not really a valid reason to not sign a guy, or maybe said another way, if you think it is valid reason, then don’t extend anyone ever…since that risk is always there, and if anything, that risk probably increases as a player ages. You’re right though, the decision was made and there’s really nothing any of us can do about it other than discuss it like we’ve been. I for one am really happy to see both of these guys extended, and I’m happy we did it now because waiting until next offseason would only be more expensive, and if this gets both guys motivated and engaged and sends a message to the team that we take care of our own when they ball out, then all the better. I’m all for it!
Some of the stuff you post simply makes me stop and shake my head. I'd really love to know, if you were GM, what barometer you would use to pay people. G.W. and Sauce are, LITERALLY, 1a and 1b as far as BEST players on this team. I don't know about you, but seeing as salaries are going up by $5 and $10 million every single year, in some cases, WORSE, the sooner the better! Hell, one fucking team (Houston) pays their 2nd round pick a fully guaranteed salary and now you have 30 other teams with unsigned SECOND ROUND picks looking for exactly the same. Now we're talking about players who haven't even taken a snap in one training camp! I think ANY management team who is INTELLIGENT enough to lock up their two best players early tells me they are operating on a whole lot more cylinders than the last regime who would have done, exactly as you describe, wait until the last flippin' minute. THEN we have a shit stain debacle which, in that city, is the LAST thing the team needs.
