Chrebet was every bit as tough as Coles. He never had the speed of Coles but he was fearless over the middle and took a pounding.
Coles was everything but average. He was great at minimum. I think he carried a lot of weight on his shoulders. Think about the Coverage he had to face because the opponents knew we had only one good receiver at the start of the season.
Chrebet was huge for me, but I think if you are being fair you have to agree that Coles was the better WR between the two. He is a valid number 1 starter, a role that wasn't suited to Chrebet.
I also think Coles is a great asset to the team, but your stats pretty much answer your question - Coles has averaged at least 1.5 yards per catch less than each of those receivers, and there are only so many all-pro and Pro Bowl spots available.
Chrebet was the perfect number 2 and Coles is a pretty okay number 1. It's hard to decide which one ist better for your team.
:lol: Yep, Coles is pretty okay... :up: Honestly, we could do worse in the WR position. I'd take Coles hands down over a TO everyday.
Sure - beacause what happens ON the field is sometimes not the only important thing. We learned that with meshawn. But since he turned to weshawn - why not take him and have Coles - Cotch - Shawn ?
Hands down! "Coles is our off. Team leader and should be our #1 WR". He comes to work and gets it done on sunday's. The only thing I've ever seen wrong with him is his hieght. Aside from that. He's a complete package... well that's where I stand on that issue.
Coles truly has been our best receiver. . IMO he is the best #2 WR in the league. WTS I think he?s on the backside of his career. He is fearless over the middle. At age 31 he has taken more punishment catching the ball than any of the receivers listed. How much more can the guy take without a major injury? We need a big (6?3??+ guy with 4.3 speed. We missed the boat in the draft not picking up a burner who could replace LC. :jets:
When you use stats to make an argument, you can sway it anyway you want. Let's take the guys you cite.... Chad Johnson can change a game. So can Smith, Wayne, Owens and Smith. Coles, on the other hand does NOT strike fear into an opponent.. That's why he's not a #1 in my book. I judge by what I see. I use stats to help a little, but I REFUSE to base judgement based on fantasy football.
I don't know if I would categorize him as a team leader. Leaders generally don't spend time whining about how hard they having to work. He certainly brings it on game day though. He works hard and delivers when it counts. For those reasons I overlook his whiney act.
Oh, yeah... the ol' "strike fear" argument. I'd just assume lean on stats than something that is more perspective than factual.
Wide receivers are not used to strike fear in anybody. I don't think anybody in the NFL is particularly scary at this point, the teams that win are too corporate in the way they do it. Give me one thing about the Patriots that you genuinely fear on any given play. They don't sack a ton of people, they don't hold people under 3 yards a rush, Brady's not a bomber, they never have an elite runningback who could go for 2,000 yards, they don't force a bunch of turnovers, they just kind of grind you down a little bit at a time until they win. Now a monkey with a stapler is scary. If the Patriots wanted to strike fear in people they'd put bonzo back there and let him start stapling people coming across the middle.
I disagree 100% with the above. WRs who strike fear CHANGE the defense. One thing about the Pats I fear? Their coach. He can gameplan an average to above avg team to win.
"they just kind of grind you down a little bit at a time until they win.".. that is even worse.. Slow death.. :up:
Well maybe I shoulda used "off.play maker". He is a lil too whinish. But after the beatens he's takin' on the field. You'd whine too. I'da been after Z.thomas w/ tears in my eyes if I caught one like that. Lol --- but honestly "I think he should be the number 1 until Cotchery's ready to takes the rains. And god as my witness. " I wish we found a way to keep moss". Because Moss & Cotch would be a far more threat then what we got. Tuff is one thing, pure talent is another to me. Cotch is raw. But I think he'll show coles up this season. Till that happens. Keep coles put.
Uuum, I didn't think the number of catches a receiver has and the actuall yardage they produce were irrelevant, but rather, well, kind of important. Otherwise, how the hell are you supposed to measure a receivers production? Do you have some kind of "Fear-O-Meter" that helps you get a more accurate assessment of a receivers value? Catches and yards aren't fantasy stats. I'm pretty sure they're important measures regarding pro-bowls and eventual Hall of Fame selections, but he "fear factor" may be more important...
Yes, that answers my question if you assume that I place huge value on average yards per catch. I think Santa Moss had a much higher yards per catch average than Coles last year, but a lot less total catches and yards. So does that mean Santa was a better receiver than Coles last year?
