You are simply repeating "expertise" that you've heard and you have no way of knowing. That is, unless, you can explain to us, for example, how a spectator can tell that the QB held the ball too long. What do you mean he doesn't "look off" his primary receiver? Explain that to me. I understand looking off a safety. Every QB has his strengths and weakness. A young QB gets better at game management with experience. Older ones lose their coordination and can't make all the plays.
Just curious...do you think Joe expects Jason Campbell to be in veteran Mark Brunell's class with "game management" when it's his time to start?
The only gauge I have on that is a poll taken on one of our fansites (approximately 250 posters voted). Fans were of the opinion that the Redskins organization had NOT given Ramsey a fair chance to prove himself by a margin of almost exactly two to one. As for the trade, it's almost unamimous that you stole him.
You really have a man-crush on this guy. While I understand your contention that Rams never had a square deal in DC, that's simply how the cards played out. Spurrier brought him to run a particular offense, that system failed, and Gibbs was brought in to resurrect the franchise. Ramsey had opportunities, and what he showed was that he wasn't a "Gibbs guy". That's nobody's fault. It's not rocket science. Favre didn't fit in for Atlanta either. That being said, I'll stand pat with Joe. Ramsey is now free to torch the league and show the world what he can do. I hope he gets that chance so you don't have to spend his whole tenure in NY saying, "He's great people, if you'd only give him the opportunity." I'm sure there's a guy named "mcnugget" out there somewhere, and another named "leafblower" who are still whistling to the wind, arguing for their guys as they oh-so-quietly make a name for themselves in whining and QB coaching at Division II schools.
you gotta work your way up the food chain some how right.. how else do you think you get the good coaching jobs
Stole him? Maybe on extremeskins, where the average age of posters is 16 1/4. There are many reasons why Ramsey didn't command a higher price, and why we didn't feel like waiting till the cows come home to collect. You have to factor in the total deal for it to make strict logical sense. 1) Joe promised Rams he would try and find him a good situation. Believe it or not, the deal was concluded in part because Patrick felt that he had a legitimite chance of starting in NY. Check out cincinnatibengals.com if you don't believe me. Other teams had interest, but NY is where RAMSEY wanted to go. I feel, in part, that Joe sensed an obligation there. 2) We cleared cap space while players we want are available. Don't discount this. We've lost two safeties (Ryan Clark, Omar Stoutmire) in the last few days and DB has become a pressing concern. There are O-linemen and weak-side linebackers we want to bring in (Cowart perhaps) to fill the vacany Arrington leaves. There's a sale on NOW. We need more cash to go shopping. Dealing Rams now makes it possible. 3) We gained another second-day pick. Oh, laugh if you will, but that makes three in the 6th round, and the Jet pick is high up. We need depth all around, and one more lineman or corner goes a long way if chosen properly. 4) The controversy is OVER. Whew. The hierarchy is now set. Brunell till the wheels fall off, Campbell when he's ready, and Collins to bring both of them up to speed on Saunders' mad plans. It all makes sense en toto. Maybe it doesn't sound logical individually. But put that all together and this was the right time for the Redskins to move on.
That's the $1,000,000 question. His athletic ability, accuracy and mobility are all top notch -- nobody doubts them. Where the concern lies, and the reason he didn't receive the attention of other QBs in the draft -- is because of those intangibles. He's been apprenticing under Bill Musgrave for a year (why do you think Atlanta nabbed him to teach Vick?) and he's learned from Brunell and run the scout team. We'll see what he can do for Saunders. I think this makes 5 different offensive schemes in 6 years for the poor kid. That, surely, will prove how adept he is at mastering a playbook and making smart decisions.
I'm sorry. What I meant to say is that Redskin receivers ganged up on poor Patrick and abandoned him to rushing ends and blitzing linebackers, allowing him to take sacks instead of getting rid of the ball, making him look foolish enough that Gibbs would pull him for they're true hombre, Brunell. Got me, n'kay? Correction: Ramsey LOCKS on his primary receiver and fails to LOOK OFF safeties. Either way you slice it, there's a reason he's now fondly regarded as the Tulane Turnover Torpedo.
I'm not into hero worship. Joe Gibbs makes mistakes and his handling of our QB situation was one of them. But, I'm solidly with you in hoping he hasn't made another with his selection of Jason Campbell.
Well, I suspected this. Your reasoning is that if the QB is sacked, it's because he held the ball too long. By that reasoning, if he's sacked in 1.6 seconds, he should have thrown it away in 1.5 even if the play was designed to take 2.7 seconds to develop? I haven't heard Ramsey rapped for locking onto his primary before. I've heard many fans charge Brunell with this and the evidence is stronger against Mark. Ramsey distributed the ball to different receivers. Our number two WRs, Patten then Jacobs, had very little production with Brunell at QB last season.
Here are some thoughts from Brunell himself. The "me" is not me, BTW... He told me that Jason Campbell is steadily improving. He said that Campbell is an apt student and in a year or two he should be ready to be a viable starter in the NFL. He said that Campbell had some trouble adjusting to the NFL but was vague about what in particular, but he said that Campbell has a great attitude and will be a good qb someday. About Gibbs and Ramsey, Brunell had nothing but good things to say. He said he hopes Ramsey can earn a starting job in NY and talked about hunting with Ramsey, apparently they are friends, which surprised me.
Well... it's just funny that Patrick ate the ball a lot more, or threw it into iffy situations (see: 2005, Chicago). His lack of mobility hurts him as well. Brunell 1) got rid of the ball more 2) developed a connection with Moss that's indisuputable 3) dumped off to Cooley 4) made fewer mistakes. Rams often looked befuddled and indecisive. That's where the rap comes from. He doesn't scramble much, takes more sacks, and throws into situation where maybe he shouldn't. But other than that... I believe that had far more to do with Brunell's quick connection with Moss and Cooley. Jacobs has NEVER produced and will finally be cut. Patten got hurt late and was put on IR.
am i the only who finds it funny. that two skin fans are arguing on a jets board? this cant be a good thing?lol
Everyone loves a catfight. These are the dying embers of a once-hot controversy in DC. Rams is all yours now. Soon you will see where the firestorm came from. Enjoy. A QB controversy is a terrible thing to keep to yourself. :up:
Still working on those Tulane numbers, but here's a summary of what he did in DC: www.pro-football-reference.com/players/RamsPa00.htm
This is from Wikipedia. Getting closer... College Football career Ramsey attended Tulane University, and had an outstanding collegiate career as a "scholar athlete", being named five times to the Conference USA Commissioner's honor roll, and was the National Football Foundation/College Football Hall of Fame Scholar-Athlete of the Year, in 2001. During Ramsey's 1999 season, he set 20 Tulane passing records, including single season records for passing yards, attempts, and completions. In that season he scored 25 touchdowns, the second-most ever for a Tulane player. In 2000, he led the third-best passing offense in the country. He also made the All-Conference USA second-team, leading the conference in most meaningful passing statistics. In his senior season in 2001 he started 11 games and scored 22 touchdowns. He set a school record, having at least one touchdown pass in 31 consecutive games. Upon graduating, he had the top five passing games in school history. His career totals at Tulane were surpassed only (in various individual statistics, none overall) by Shaun King, Mike McKay, Roch Hontas, and Terrence Jones. Yes! The legendary Shaun King. Hail, Tulane!
