...and if we drafted grubbs or blaylock wed be reading "i cant believe the jets took an OL instead of a corner".... ill put my trust in those who get paid to do this stuff for a living....
Umm, not really because we have Dyson and Barrett two reasonably good corners. Plus we have back ups three deep. And CB was pretty deep this draft too, so we could have had OL and CB. Mark my words, there will be another corner in this draft who preforms similiar or better than Revis, we just didn't get that guy.
No, that is not the dreadful part. The dreadful part was giving away 4 picks, 3 of which were in the top 100.
There's really no way of knowing whether our draftees or any of the OL players drafted on day 1 will pan out, they could all be busts. The odds were against us having the type of success we had with Mangold and Brick starting from Day 1 last season, and for all we know, Revis could start on Day 1 and end up being the next Aaron Glenn while every OL prospect the FO rated for Day 1 could be a bad fit for the offense that Lil Schott has plans for, just as easily as your scenario could. But you're a smart dude, I'm sure that has occurred to you.
You guys are making a bigger deal with the number of picks that it actually is. The Jets basically gave up a 2nd for Revis and 3rd for Harris. CB was the Jets greatest weakness before the draft. Did anyone really want Barrett, Miller or Poteat opposite of Dyson. Hell no. Factor in Thomas Jones and the Jets got 3 day 1 starters. Sure in hindsight picking up a guard would have been great with the Kendall situation but thats all it is hindsight.
I like the Tangini team but we gave away too much in the draft. :drunk: The trick to the draft is bringing in as many prospects as possible. Just maybe a few will be able to contribute. We have too many needs to have only 4 rookies coming in from the draft. :Jets: Super Sonic makes a good point. Our OL needs some shoring up. Great move to get a premier running back. If the OL can?t run block for the guy we have major problems. The whole thing starts with a great OL. Keeping the opponents? offense off the field is the best defense. Without a powerhouse OL then winning becomes sole responsible of the defense. I just don?t believe that you win championship without a great OL. The GREAT OL makes for an outstanding defense. If Brady and company are on the sidelines look at the game, ats_suck: how can they win???????:jets:
This may be your best post ever. Just take it easy on the emoticons otherwise people may start to think you are 17 instead of 71 :smile:
Patriots offensive line Matt Light Round:2 Pick:17 Logan Mankins Round:1 Pick:32 Dan Koppen Round:5 Pick:29 Stephen Neal UNDRAFTED Nick Kaczur Round:3 Pick:36 Colts offensive line Tarik Glenn Round:1 Pick:19 Ryan Lilja UNDRAFTED Jeff Saturday UNDRAFTED Jake Scott Round:5 Pick:9 Ryan Diem Round:4 Pick:23 I posted this because although I am a firm believer that you build from inside out, the thought of spending top draft picks every year on just offensive lineman is ridiculous. Offensive lineman are some of the most common jewel in the rough players out there because it is a hard thing to scout and project since timed speed etc arent as important, and often a blocker is only as good as his unit. For those who are upset that we started to adress some "finesse" postions, you are out of your mind. We obviously needed a cornerback and got the best one the FO felt there was, and though we had a solid LB corp, it wasnt built for a 3-4. David harris is almost like drafting a lineman for the defense because his job will mainly be run support in his lane, so don't worry we are still builing from the inside out. I agree we still need to add beef to our team and will actually go so far as to say that our biggest weakness will end up being our defensive line narrowingly beating out RT. 300+ is standard for a DE in the 3-4 nowadays and Ellis is oldschool and becoming quite small for his position. With that said though I couldnt be happier with our draft and I dont understnad why anyone wouldn't be. Look at most drafts for most teams, usually a draft gives 2 fulltime starters if it was a good one there are pleny that yield none. If both revis and harris work out this draft was huge especially since it was deemed a weak draft class by many.
You could make excuses at the time over Reed and Marino, but there is no excuse for drafting Kyle Brady over Warren Sapp....
I mean the ENTIRE draft room in NY filled with fans yelling SAPP SAPP, MARINO MARINO, wasn't enough? Honestly I think the Jets should just have a public poll out on who they should draft and make their decisions like that from now on.
2006 Davin Joseph G Oklahoma 2005 Carnell "Cadillac" Williams RB Auburn 2004 Michael Clayton WR Louisiana State 2003 No Pick -- -- 2002 No Pick -- -- 2001 Kenyatta Walker T Florida 2000 No Pick -- -- 1999 Anthony McFarland DT Louisiana State 1998 No Pick -- -- 1997 Warrick Dunn RB Florida State Reidel Anthony WR Florida 1996 Regan Upshaw DE California Marcus Jones DT North Carolina 1995 Warren Sapp DT Miami (Florida) Derrick Brooks LB Florida State 1994 Trent Dilfer QB Fresno State 1993 Eric Curry DE Alabama 1992 No Pick -- -- 1991 Charles McRae OT Tennessee 1990 Keith McCants LB Alabama 1989 Broderick Thomas LB Nebraska 1988 Paul Gruber OT Wisconsin 1987 *Vinny Testaverde QB Miami (Florida) 1986 Bo Jackson RB Auburn Rod Jones DB Southern Methodist 1985 Ron Holmes DE Washington 1984 No Pick -- -- 1983 No Pick -- -- 1982 Sean Farrell OG Penn State 1981 Hugh Green LB Pittsburgh 1980 Ray Snell OL Wisconsin 1979 No Pick -- -- 1978 Doug Williams QB Grambling 1977 *Ricky Bell RB Southern California 1976 *Lee Roy Selmon DE Oklahoma Shut up
Off the top of my head; I count 5 first round defensive players the Jets have picked over the pat several years. I still can't remember us winning a championship with those players. During the same time we let our OL deteriorate. That strategy resulted in serious injuries injury to many of our key players. I stand by the statement that a GREAT OL is the key to a championship. Point in question:the Colts!!!!! :wink: I think their Offense is much superior to their defense! :Jets:
It's all about playing the percentages. Ricky Williams was about as can't-miss as a runningback prospect has ever been and yet the Saints move to get him was really stupid. Trading up for a good prospect (not a great prospect, a good one) is about as poor a use of NFL draft value as you can find. That it was not an offensive or defensive lineman just makes it moreso. It might work out. Unless it works out in spades it's gonna be largely irrelevant in terms of whether or not we catch the Pats. The second round move was just as bad, only on a lesser scale.
Don't you thinik "defense win championships" is kinda cliche and vague? Great teams win championships and there are typically several components to great teams. One of the common denomiators is usually a very good OL. It is not often that you will find a team that wins a SB with a poor OL. No matter how good your defense is, if your OL can't open running lanes and control the clock to some respect, the D is going to be on the field too much. ANY defense that stays on the field too long is not a good defense.
I actually have no problem w/ the first trade for Revis. Although opinions vary on him, he was clearly the best corner in the draft, and additionally, he fit exactly what the FO was looking for in terms of a core player w/ the right attitude and character. There is no doubt in my mind, that barring injuries, Revis will be a top 10 cb for a very long time. He just has that attitude about him that just shouts success. Frankly, he filled a need,fit the system. and could become a star. Where we were at # 25, the only linemen pegged to be there(and ended up close to there) was Joe Stanely, who was another finesse OL who wouldnt have helped the running game much. The 3 linemen most of us wanted (Blalock, Grubbs and Ramirez) were all widely thought of as early 2nd round picks in many circles and wouldve been reaches at that spot(Grubbs went 31and the jury is still out on if that was a reach). The 2nd round is where I have alittle problem. Trading up AGAIN, just didn't make much sense to me, as IMO, the biggest problem w/ our roster is lack of depth. Truthfully, I was hoping we'd trade down, in order to stockpile prospects on both sides of the ball. Instead we did the opposite. Now I like Harris as a Prospect. I think he'll be a good player for us, and he def. had great value where he was selected. I also like Bender and Stuckey. But until we stockpile young quality depth on this roster, we are looking at best at a wild card finish year in and year out. We are still a rebuilding team, so hopefully in the next couple years we add some big uglies to the OL and start loading up on draft picks.
I guess at the core of it, I just have problems trading up. Revis is definately a good prospect, but he is just that 'a prospect' to give up a shot at another high round prospect to get him irks me. Almost every year there is a guy who gets picked later and turns out similar or better than the 1st pick at a position. There were plenty of guys ahead of K. Rhodes, Coles, CMart, L. Washington, A. Dyson...etc. Any GM can trade up to cherry pick. The great GM finds the guy later who is as good or better. Last year we stayed put and traded down. We did great in the first round but what if we gave away our 2-5 picks and we lost out on e.smith, b.smith, l.wahsinton and clemmens? How would you feel if we just gave these players up right now? Pretty empty I bet. That is the same way I feel about giving away 4 picks this year (3 in the top 100). One other thing that you should not forget. Thomas Jones may have come aboard this year, but the pick we used to get him was from a trade down from last years draft. We could have done the same this year if we traded down our first pick and then nabbbed Blaylock or Grubbs or even a LB if that is what they coveted, we did not necessairly have to address OL in r1 or r2. OL was deep this year and we could have likely done fine in r3 or r4 too. If we had all the pieces and we wanted to trade up to get a finishing touch, yeah i guess i can see the wisdom in that but to give away so much with so many holes it tough to get on board with at this stage..
You can go down the track of the best way to defend is to attack , you just better be sure you have what it takes over 4 qtrs though. Kowie is right D , wins championships. First things first , you have to be able to stop them from scoring first,this enables the O to not getting into pressurised situations which causes mistakes , especially in POs where one mistake is often enough to lose the game. At some point in a game no matter how bad an Oline is they will open up a lane or 2 allowing some decent runs.
Some points. We were a team that went to the POs last year , and we should be immediately building on that , you do not do that with 'prospects'. We have potentially 3 starters from the draft from the first day if you include the TJ trade. I'd say that was a pretty good draft. In fact I would take 4-5 picks a year if it meant that they filled a need and were able to start , who wouldn't? Before the drat our O line was set , until the Kendall situation , so we needn't have gone O line on day 1 at all.
