back in 2001 when edwards and his roadshow took over the jets had some pretty good talent in the trenches - front 7 on d and the starting 5 on the oline were pretty good and made for at least a very competitive team on any given day. of course, edwards and his braintrust implemented a bullshit cover 2, effectively negating 2 young studs on the defense (abe and ellis) and removing any 3-4 protection from the vets (jones and lewis). it worked out in the W-L columan and playoff appearances but it those decisions, IMO, ultimately led back to mediocrity and removal of the circus from hempstead. Now, we have the genius youngsters running the show who inherit a roster of very questionable depth - especially in the trenches - the oline and dline. the 1st and 2nd assignment of any new regime is to get your QB and get your O/D lines together. these are the foundations that will get you deep in the playoffs - go ask the pats, steelers, ravens, eagles , etc etc.. there has been some churning of veterans along the dline and some untested young players along the oline but this is not enough. the lack of 1st day talent in the bradway years is biting the jets in the ass now along the oline and only one tangini draft is not going to correct it. last year we got by on decent execution of advanced game planning and strategy - something we hadn't seen in several years, a favorable schedule and no injuries. this year its different - teams will be ready for us - especially on offense where 8-9 guys in the box with frequent blitzes will be the norm - especially the AFC defenses like the pats and ravens - who also happen to be our 1st 2 opps. as true to a jet fan as i am, i am as usual feeling pretty negative about this year - especially after the performance last night vs the jints. the 1st units on both sides of the line were NO MATCH for the giants.... funny - i do not remember seeing any household names on the ginats last night - Tuck, o'hara, joseph, snee, robbins, etc etc. and NO strahan. if these guys can get to the jets imagine what the ravens and pats are going to do.......^%(%)^(*+&*&^%(% thats right - unless mangini and co come up with a 2007 version of pete kendall in the next 2 weeks (sort of) we are in some deep shit. in year 2 of any regime there is usually a regression due to harder schedules, more injuries, and more and more younger players getting their feet wet for the next few years. But IMO the jets will also suffer from years of OL and DL patchwork which at this time looks to be the same strategy for out geniuses. commants always respected and appreciated jil
Buddy, I think it goes way beyond Pete Kendall. But yeah -- I agree -- we look pretty scary. I know it's preseason, but still. We should be able to at least look mediocre. I think if a few things were subpar, it wouldn't bother me that much, but the problem is, we're subpar on pretty much every level. Our receivers aren't making plays, we have no pass rush, we can't tackle effectively, our oline collapses within 1/2 second of the snap, and as a result our qb can't throw the ball and we have no running game. Yikes!
Most rebuilding plans hit a bump in the road. The Jets are probably no exception to that rule. Next year they will do what they did in 2006 and should have done in 2007: draft quality depth paying special attention to the lines.
We knew the Ol was gonna be a process. Starting 2 players like Brick and Gold' so early would eventually result in bumps in the road. If Bender can work out some kinks, once we get through the growing pains...we'll have a pretty good corps and will be able to fill in the right side w/ some maulers. The DL is gonna take time. If we plan on playing a 3-4 or even a hybrid, those DL spots are extremely difficult to fill, b/c players rarely come in from college familar w/ that system, and it's difficult to project how they will fit. As Bradwaysux said, there are gonna be bumps in the road this year. let's just hope that next offseason we bring some hogs in on both sides of the line.
Yup, you're right. It is sad that our D-line is this bad, especially when we went out and signed a done of DL this offseason, guess it just didn't work out. And the OL is even worse. No one but Mangold looks comfortable, and I still say Brick was the wrong choice at #4 back in 05, he looks horrible.
Sometimes I lay in bed at night, almost in tears, at the fact that NT Ted Washington chose Cleveland instead of us...
Did the Jets try to get him? Maybe Mangini likes likes a smaller D line with players like DRbob that can do things that a big NT can't. But then you could also say that a big NT can do things that DRbob can't.
Affirmitive, I distinctly remember Washington speaking with Jets and Browns and he went with Cleveland because of previous experience with Crennel as his DC in NE. We really could use him he's a total wall. I'm pretty sure EM doesn't want a smaller d line we just haven't gotten an NT because there are none available. They are so hard to find these days.
The OL is sad, and the DL is worse. I'm watching the replay of the game now, and I'm thinking that we're taking at least a 2 or 3 game step back this year.
the thing about top teams is if you track their draft they get an o lineman in the first three rounds of every draft. Go back and check. Yet before 2006 we draft 1 in five years. real smart
I unfortunately missed the game on Saturday. I went to Philly for family-related stuff and idiot that I am I forgot to DVR the damn game. Based on what I've been reading here we really looked like shit. Was it THAT bad?
It's just preseason, our lines are going to be top 10 to top 15 in the league and are good enough to get us into the playoffs. We have never missed the playoffs with D'Brick at LT.
And the team went from 4 & 12 to 10 & 6. It was also the only year in 7 NFL seasons that Chad has played 16 games, Coincidence?
this team never drafted to replace all of the starters that are now gone. its been adding band aids through FA. the OL went unaddressed under Edwards and Tangini made a huge splash by taking two of them in the first round of their first campaign. Albeit I never liked drafting Brick a whole lot, I understood the logic. then last year it was very very obvious we needed G's at both sides and a RT with great OL depth in that draft we trade it away for defense. which i think was all mangini drafting players he knows can play his system instead of forcing it on our 4-3 built roster. i like revis and harris ALOT, so trading didnt bother me a whole lot. but if they were looking to solidify the team the best way possible we couldve went OL earlier, not like it would fix everything now. but i think we'd all feel a little more comfortable. most of all, they are rebuilding and have the appearance of a team trying to win now. people dont see that since we had success last year. in all reality I expect Tannenbaum and Mangini to expect to gut the trenches on both side within the next few years. which is probably like I said the reason Mangini put alot of chips on Revis and Harris cause moving forward those are two players he really wanted to base his defense around. so we'll take our lumps this year and see the actual changes needed to be a consistently good team within a couple years.
Excellent rational post in a sea of irrational ones. This is somewhat premature I know............. Revis looks like a natural as does Harris. By Natural I mean something special. Revis more than Harris. Last year they drafted a future all-pro in Mangold and hopefully the anchor of the OL (Ferguson) albeit not without it's speed bumps. This team had way too little talent at key positions to fix in 2 years even in this era. The OL and DL were woefully neglected and the FO did very little to bring in exceptional young players or if they did, the old staff were poor teachers and could not coach them up. What we have to be excited about going forward is that has ended. You really have to like the track record of this staff (so far) to get young players on the field with the wherewithal to make an impact not just take up space. It appears to me that this FO has hardly any draft busts (Schlegal, Adams)............ and no Ferguson is in no way shape or form a bust.( if you think this please skip my post). Also, I want to add one of the hallmarks of Belichick is too have competition at every position so when the inevitable injuries come about you can plug players in with as little interruption as possible. The FO has tried to accomplish/copy this. Obviously, this has not happened to the O-line as of yet because of the distinct lack of talent there. Pretty much every other position they are starting to establish some sort of depth. I just do not think people realize how far away this team was after 2005. It was really really far............ Last year this staff did a stellar job. This year they will have to be much better to even get a sniff of what they accomplished last year.
