I am a firm believer that with high picks you draft skills players. The NFL is packed with solid all pro O-Linemen in later rounds. Year one for Brick was fine, I just expected him to improve and live up to that 4th pick billing this year, but yeah it's premature... it just pissed me off to no end when I saw Brick get beat, then CP hurt. You gotta protect that backside at all costs.
Trade with who? I love how everyone just says trade down. But you need a buyer and with Bush gone I don't think there were many buyers. D'Brick is doing fine. I'm not sure why no one can see this.
Yeah, it's not always that easy but the Jets seem to trade up every year so there has to be a few others out there too. We traded up for Robertson and Revis in just the past 3 years in fact. Revis looks like he may be worth it but that's about it.
It's hindsight so it's pointless in talking about it now. I am sure some dumb as GM was using Kipers board for his picks and would have traded with us. I think I read someplace he gave up 10+ sacks last year, thats not fine, how many has he given up this year? I know of at least one that got the QB hurt, thats not fine. He is still young but damn step up, this is year 2.
Franchise OT get drafted in the top ten my friend..these guys are the base foundation in your o-line...blind side support for your high paid QB's...D'bust is not a work in project D,bust = Robert Galelry...have you seen his play the past two games minus Pete Kendall ... despicable to say the least ... he had a guy i think it was nguyta shoot the gap from the ride side and disrupt thomas jone running off tackle on the left....this guy is a bust and this is it..what you are seeing is what you will be seeing for the reminder of his jet career
Yes I've seen him play....and aside from acouple mishaps he's played extremely well. He's far beyond where Gallery ever was.
Are you asking Brick if he is impressed yet? That sentence doesn't even make sense, just like your posts. Do you watch every single game, or do you just hear that the QB was sacked 5 times and assume it's his fault and that a 4th overall pick should be able to block every lineman on every play? If you do watch the games, then you saw how well Brick played against some of the best DEs last season. The only times Brick really looked like a rookie last season were against Jacksonville and the second game against Buffalo. Most of the sacks so far this season have come up the middle, and when they come from the right, Brick is overloaded. When Colvin sacked Chad and his ankle got hurt, there were 2 guys coming, Brick didn't make a decision on who to block, and they both got by him...that's on Brick. So far when he run blocks, the DEs have been pulling him towards the ball carrier instead of being pushed away from the play, and sure, we haven't been running off left tackle much. Just tell me what the hell you expect, seriously. Brick gets upfield and into the second level consistently on runs up the middle and to the right. I can't believe I care about the opinions of these misinformed and unrealistic fans, but after hearing the same bullshit all the time, it's hard not to react. You dont even understand how the Kendall thing effects his play. You think that Brick should be able to play both positions now that Kendall is gone? Jesus Christ, what do you think happens when a Left guard is playing like a turnstile? Why do you think all these teams are overloading the left side? It's because they know that our LG will be weak, so you send 2 guys at Brick, make sure he's taken up blocking, and count on the Guard missing a block. Now you have 2 players pressuring the QB, or a holding penalty on the LG.....think about how the game works man, come on.
Here's the real problem. We let people like Thomas, McKenzie and Fabini and Kendall walk away rather then pay them. We always have. We have a shit ass cheap owner. As long as we don't keep the talent we have we will never go anywhere. Arguments can be made about Fabini and Kendall but certainly not about Thomas or McKenzie. You can add Mawae to that too. Sure he was getting older but these were the guys opening holes when Curtis Martin was having the best years of his career.
The thinking from Bradway was that he would always find a way to replace them and for the most part he did. He was thinking like the Pats do with the idea to keep you OL on the cheap so you can use the extra money on defense. It's worked in NE and hasn't so much here. Hindsight is 20/20. I don't think it's fair to say that Woody is cheap at all. EDIT - I just saw your edit and you are actually upset with losing Mawae (34 yo) for Mangold?!?!
No, not really. I like Mangold but nobody on this planet can say he has done anything to open holes like Mawae did. Nobody. Not in your wildest dreams. If he did we would just once in awhile be able to run up the middle.
Kurt - Love your posts!!! I don't think everyone is blaming the OL woes totally on Brick... I just think there's a group of us who doubted Brick was #4 Brick worthy at the time - After year 1 a lot of people assumed an offseason of bulking up and working on his game would make a huge difference and so far there are concerns.... Part of the problem is a number of us saw that draft class as LOADED (rightfully so) and there were many ways to go...... I recognized all along that picking the local good guy with his rating was the safe way to go.... I just hated that my team was in that situation and wished they could trade down, IF possible.
Not a "skill" player in the usual meaning, but if they were so committed to the 3-4 they shoulda taken the best available NT, and he was there for the taking.
I think they tried..but unfortunately picks 4-8 were "no man's land" in that draft. Brick was the BPA and filled a huge need...we didnt have much of a choice
Have you? Sometimes I wonder whether people on this board know anything about pass protection, what a pocket is, how the draft works, etc. A few pointers: 1) When a speed rush comes from the outside, it's D'brick's job TO DROP BACK into pass protection. I'm not sure why so many people are tired of seeing him drop back. His job isn't to provide an inflexible flat line. His job is to protect the QB by providing a pocket. He's done an excellent job this season so far against great defenses. He was beaten twice. That's going to happen against guys like Terrell Suggs. 2) He is not responsible for the entire line. This season, D'Brick has had to cover Adrien Clarke's ass after poor play at the LG spot. If anything, I think this will eventually make him a better LT, and we'll see a huge improvement once LG play elevates. Don't make the mistake of thinking Pete Kendall MADE Ferguson better. He simply allowed him to do his job. 3) Teams have to want to trade UP for you to trade DOWN. Having the #4 pick doesn't mean you get to play with everybody else's pick on the board. I've read a lot of people wanting to drop back to take Leinart and Cutler. Why? Leinart has very limited tools, and would have been in the same position as Pennington behind our O Line (not simply our Left Tackle, but the whole line, which has to work TOGETHER to succeed). He's in a great spot in Arizona, one of the few which will allow him some success because of the athleticism of his receivers. Cutler is a better QB, but I still would rather have Kellen. I wanted Kellen at the time. Living in California and having gone to a Pac 10 school, I've been impressed with Clemens for years. He had the most talent of any QB in that draft, and he'll show that. Again, put him behind Denver's line and he's already considered the top QB in the draft after his 9th start (like Cutler). 4) Watch D'Brick. Really watch him. He needs a LG next to him who can run block to allow him to develop. Again, he had to drop back on a play last week because Clarke couldn't block his man, and the inside rush took out Thomas Jones 3 yards deep. Everything on the line is not his fault. He's been absent on a few plays, and that's his problem. However, I'm not sure why you would expect perfection out of a 2nd year guy. He's elevated his play this year while having to drag the man next to him, and he'll continue to improve.
And for the record, I was a Ngata guy. I loved the Oregon players in that draft and would have loved to see him stay in Green, but I've been fine with Brick's progress so far.
Pardon me for forgetting a comma, go ahead and take 5 points off. So Bricks a victim in it all, thanks for correcting me :up: Let's see how you react when another QB goes down thanks to him. Your post made me think of that Leave Britney alone sketch, go ahead and post a leave D'Brick alone video :lol: Lighten up dude, its a message board, people post opinions. Sorry we do not all have a PhD in Football.
