The more you lose the harder it is, that is true. But I think you have to give the guy a full three years and then see where the team is at that point. You should be able to see if there is progress enough to be able to keep him on board year to year, or if it pretty much stays as it is you gut the staff and try again. When you take a guy who requires OJT because they have never been a head coach, even from a winning club like the Pats, you have to invest some time for them to work out.
Look at Cakes above post please.... The desire is not to fire guys every two years unless we win a Super Bowl... The desire is to bring guys in who will improve the team, and keep it competitive.... Save for injury-riddled seasons... If you bring a coach in to a team that won 4 games the season before, partially due to a myriad of injuries, his job is to improve that team.... If AT ANY POINT in his tenure, the team sinks below that level without a similar or worse myriad of injuries, the head coach is not doing his job, and he deserves to be fired... Simple as that
some of people are totally off the deep end. Do you NOT understand how football works? Herm screwed us at 4-12. We got a cupcake schedule for Mangini`s first year and we did great with it(10-6), made the playoffs and all. The second season is ALWAYS a setback, mainly due to the harder schedule. I was expecting 6-10 at worst, maybe 7-9. Chad Pennington is NOT what he once was. The defense still sucks like it did last year but we are playing teams that are much, much better and take advantage of our crappy D. Our Ofeense has taken a step back, but you have to give it time since our O-Line is only in it`s second season and some holes still need to be fixed there. Pennington will more than likely take a back seat or move on next year. And next season we will have that easier schedule again and there is a good bet we`ll have a top 5 pick in the draft too. Maybe it will be good for us to be bad this year? I don`t like it, but it`s the way it is. You can`t fire Mangini for Chad`s lack of an arm. You can`t fire him for not putting Clemens in right away either. I`m willing to give Mangini another year regardless of what we end this year. If the same old Jets show up in 2008, then yes, Mangini will be on the hot seat just like Joe Torre is. I`m tired of the revolving door too. Give the guy a 5 year window. If the Jets suck after 3 or 4 years, then that 5th. year option is out the window and we`ll have to start over once again.
I wonder if the Giants are happy they didn't fire Bill Parcells after his 3-12-1 record. What do you guys think?
Instead of posting sarcastic comments, why don't you go back and read the post Cakes made about the abilities of coaches to recover from terrible seasons in years OTHER THAN their first year? Often times, a dismal record is expected in the first season as part of the transition.... Many, many coaches have gone on to do well with a team after a dismal record in their first year.... Few to zero coaches have gone on to do anything decent after posting such a dismal record in their second year or later with a team....
well we`re just gonna have to wait and see what next season brings us. If Mangini doesn`t make progress, then yes, it will be time re-evaluate and maybe send him packing. But we still have to give him a chance. I would hate to see another Pete Carrol situation.
Because I don't care what other HCs in history have done, it means nothing to the present day Jets and Mangini as a HC. He has shown enough to me to make me believe he will be a great HC in this league for a long time. It would be crazy to fire him off one bad season in which his team is not very talented & his quaterback has proven to be unable to overcome his injuries and play like an effective NFL QB.. So I'm assuming you would suggest firing Tannenbaum as well? Another guy who is extremely bright who with Mangini has done a good job drafting in their two drafts. Only the Jets would fire two bright young football minds off one bad season so I wouldn't completely rule it out, it would be a huge mistake though.
Well you and I will have to agree to disagree here.... I stand by my opinion, that if the Jets this year, in Mangini's second year with no major injuries, finish with a worse record than the Jets did in 2005, Herm Edwards' final year, with their 3rd string QB, Mangini shouldn't be the head coach in 2008...
You don't care what other HCs in the past have done? Then why did you mention Parcells' debut season to refute my argument? And, No, Tannenbaum is doing fine... He's not coaching the team.... He's been with the organization a lot longer than Mangini, and he's done a good job signing players (other than Revis this year) and with the drafts... Did we fire Bradway when we fired Herm? No, Bradway stuck around just in a lesser role.... We're fine as far as the GM goes.... We're not losing because of poor personnel... We're losing, in large part, because of conservative, stubborn coaching.... That goes back to Mangini
Tannenbaum was the driving force behind the hiring of Mangini, there is no way in hell he is going to fire him after one season. They are either both going to be gone or more likely neither going to be gone. And to answer your question, yes they essiantly did fire Bradway when they traded Herm. He was fired as the GM and demoted to a lesser position in the FO. Anyway I'm done with this conversation, it is the nature of the Jets fan to blame the HC or the quarterback when things go wrong. I don't know why I am surprised that 6 games into the season there is talk of firing the HC, then in another year you'll be screaming to fire that coach and so on & on & on.
50-50, Coaches come up with game plans, players have to execute. Great game plan + sucky execution = loss. Weak game plan + good execution = loss. Coaches and players need to be on the same page. Jets players even in year 2 are still not on the same page with coaches. Factor in we are not playing schemes that play to the strength of the players we do have = this season. @OP I would like to see Parcells next year, brought in as a consultant, or in some regards. Anything he has been around has been successful, plus the guy knows how to draft, something the Jets have never figured out in their entire existence.
Jets fans are some of the most impatient people that I've ever seen and another coaching change will leave us once again as the laughingstocks of the NFL and the very last thing we need is a temporary coach like Parcells, geez give Mangini a chance before throwing him out
There is a difference between talentwise being weak and being a punchline to everyone's joke and as bleak as this season may be it is way too early to wave the 3-13 towel like it is a certainty, no playoffs is one thing this however is a little too soon
As stupid as this sounds, I wish we went 6-10 or 7-9 last year (probably the latter), that 10-6 record last year set everyones expectations way too high. This year has just been a year of bad breaks and untimely turnovers. Seriously, we are a handful of plays from having the exact opposite record. But that's the NFL, the one play u screw up on, dooms you in the end. The Jets are not talented enough to recover from mistakes, so they have to play near perfect ball every week, which puts a lot of pressure on players. Looking to next year we are about 5 impact players (draft and FA) away from getting deep in the playoffs.
This is what I love - every is in love with a player and/or coach, and as soon as the imes get tough, it becomes abandon ship. Everyone needs to relax and take a step back. Anyone believeing that we were a playoff contender this year, based off of our extremely easy schedule from last year, is ignorant. Look at the big picture - what we need is consistency from the key positions on the field, and not a new coach. We have played what I would considered extremely poor football - yet we have been in basically everyday. Football is a game of inches. What kind of respect would Tuna generate. Although he is a great coach - I can't deny that fact, big fan of him - our players would know that he would only be here for 2 years - he shows no commitment, he just up and leaves the teams he coaches - when was the last time he went to a Super Bowl. Now if your argument was to bring him in as a general manager or someone to work with Tanny, i would be on board. Just relax and stop with the dramatics
