I have a question for you. Can you do me a favor? Can you actually watch the Jets games before making comments on this board pretending you did? How do you blame horrendous in game coaching decisions by Mangini on the lack of talent?: Like, -Kicking a fg at the end of the cleveland game instead of going for it on 4th and 10? -Calling option plays that works one time in every 100 in the NFL (oh right,thats the O coordinator, mangini should take no responsbility for what his other coaches do)? -Playing a 4-3 defense for the simple reason that the Patriots do and they are good at it so we might as well try it even though we have no personnel to do it? -Kicking Kendall out the door and replacing him with a human turnstile? - Calling fade patterns on every important play even if its only 4th and 1? - Losing his balls and growing a pussy on every 4th and short and just letting the playclock run out and punt 5 yards deeper? Just so you know, most of the games are on cbs. I can tell you the specific times of the games as well if need be.
I could ask you the same question. Do you watch the games? Have you watched this team on 4th down? They look totally lost on anything longer than 4th and 3 and NEVER convert it. The offensive line was giving Clemens about a second and a half in the pocket. Besides which WHO CARES? Dude honestly WHO CARES? anyway. Is this some make or break decision for you? a 3-10 team? Mangini had more confidence in the team's ability to recover an onsides kick than to convert a 4th and 10. Was he way off? I dont think so. This team has failed on virtually every fourth and long this year. it's a 50/50 or damn close to it in terms of which option is better (or less worse), so stop fucking whining already. You act like this is an AFC conference game we're talking about. the team has 3 wins.
For everybody who is saying Mangini is smart: 1. How stupid do you have to be to get rid of Pete Kendall with no reasonable option to replace him? 2. How stupid do you have to be to force a defensive scheme on a team that has many players unsuited for that scheme? 3. How stupid do you have to be to trade for a power runner (TWICE now) with such a weak and inexperienced offensive line? 4. How stupid do you have to be to trade up twice in the draft when your depth and talent in the trenches is so limited? Particularly to take a defensive back? 5. How stupid do you have to be to ignore real talent in free agency in favor of rejects, outcasts, backups and RETIRED players? 6. How stupid do you have to be switch two players who had some success last season at ROLB and LOLB and then watch both of them fall down this season? How stupid not to switch them back? 7. How stupid do you have to be to commit to Brandon Moore at RG for a 5 year contract? 8. How stupid do you have to be to punt when you should go for it on 4th down and go for it when you should punt? Like clockwork? 9. How stupid do you have to be to consider multiple onsides kicks to be an offensive plan? 10. How stupid do you have to be to throw a first year starter at QB to the wolves, by holding him back during the soft part of the schedule and then feeding him to the hard part afterwards? Even when you had a golden opportunity to make the switch when the former starter got hurt? I see so many things right now that suggest to me that Mangini is stupid that it's hard to see him in any other light given the Jets terrible performance this season.
Tongue in cheek. Mangini is the best thing to happen to this franchise since Parcells. The guy walked into arguably the worst situation in the NFL. He had/has to build a new O-line, running game, find a young QB, and rebuild the defense all while putting up with the bullshit that comes with coaching a NY/NJ team. Look at how common the "fire Mangini" things are...one bump in the road and people think its time to quit.
Things like not re-structuring Kendall and forcing the 3-4 are things are intended to make us great in the FUTURE not decent NOW. You Dig? I wouldnt have mind kendall for an extra million but hey he wanted to set an example that the management handles the contracts and not the players. If this pays off and allows us to be in a cap situation like the patriots are in the future than it's WORTH the suffering now rather than the one or 2 extra wins Kendall POSSIBLY garners. The same goes for the 3-4. Mangini believes that the 3-4 is a superior defense to the 4-3. So he is installing it no matter what the growing pains are like. You are COMPLAINING about the draft? We did great in the draft. We got 2 absolute studs for a very low price. We needed to shore up the line but we also needed a lot of help on defense. If we would have drafted lineman instead people would be screaming about how bad the defense is so it's either/or.
Wow. 1. Why would we go for it on 4th and 10? I have a terrible memory. 2. I'd say the playcalling is partially influenced by the talent on this team. We have to find the lamest way to gain yards because we can't really play smash mouth football with the majority of teams. 3. We run a 3-4, and it's not just because the Pats run it.
MANGINI SUCKS face it..he is not ready for the big show..all jets' fans do is trash chad but give this tool a green light...and the Kellen era came and went the kid sucks..and dont tell me it's his first year playing cause Trent Edwards is in the same boat, oh and lets not forget Mcicantcatcharens..was not mangini praising him in the offseason...Get these two bums out of here
and by the way that chick in your avatar is SICK!!! please tell me thats a real pic...cause if it is..WOW!
I love message board geniuses that can sit and watch things unfold and then hurl boulder size rocks at some guys house. Mangini is not perfect, but how can you not at least be a little happy that he's a big step up from having Herm here. I did not mind Herm and even I can see that we are better off. This team and the organization have a ways to go still, but there have been some positives. When Herm left everyone bitched and moaned how gutted the team was. Now that Mangini has had an improbable first season it is all his fault the talent is gone. Which is it hypocrites? One bad season so far and people want to crap down the guys back. Good grief, have some patience. Patience... oh wait I'm talking to Jet fans. We don't have that.
Desperation can breed lunacy. If they had converted the first down he'd been hailed a genius with bowling balls for nads.
No I don't dig. 3-11 has a way of doing that to me. And for the record Pete Kendall in the 5th year of a restructured contract (5 years down the road) would have been worth more every single season of it than Brandon Moore will be. The 3-4? There was no need to switch to a 3-4 immediately given that most of the players in it year one will not be around when the Jets are any good at it. Are you freaking kidding me? Having Adrien Clarke at LG this season weakened the entire offensive line, which we have established wasn't very good to begin with. It prematurely ended Chad's days as the starter, although that may have been unavoidable, and it made Kellen Clemens introduction to the NFL much more painful (literally) than it had to be. It caused D'Brickashaw Ferguson to lose a season of growth as he has barely managed to hold onto his gains of last season. That's just stupid. I believe in the 3-4 so I'm going to let every player in that defense experience repeated failures in that scheme over the next two seasons because somehow that will make them better players... Look at what Belichik did in New England and Parcells with the Jets as they transformed their teams to their vision. 4-3 year one, mix of 4-3 and 3-4 year two (after acquiring more talent for the scheme) and 3-4 year three and beyond. We had a terrible draft. We got two players out of the whole thing that are going to make an impact at the NFL level and god forbid one of them goes out anytime soon. Find me another team that disrespects the draft as much as the Jets did this last season and I will call them the Washington Redskins. Of course the Redskins make up some of the difference by spending big in free agency as well. Doesn't change the fact that the draft is a team's lifeblood and teams that only get two pints out of it tend to be anemic. Hmm, 2007 Jets, anemic, yeah that's about right.
Very, but I'd say (in his defense) that Kendall had to be doing *something* wrong for Mangini to just let him go. I remember on JI people posted a ton of pictures in which it was the team *here* and Kendall waaaaay over *here.* Maybe no one liked Kendall. The Jets 4-3 D-line with JUST the talent he got last year would be: Thomas / ??? / DRob / Ellis Who would be that second DT? And why would anyone want Thomas starting at end? The fact is, we suck in ANY defensive front. Agreed, but neither was traded for to be full time runners either. I'm sorry...you hate the Revis and Harris picks? WTF? Does this even make sense at all? "Hey, I realize these two have been two of our 3 best players this year, but why the fuck would he trade up to get them? We should be fixed by now but instead we only get two really, really good young talents instead of many varied talents?" You mean like bringing in William Thomas in '06? Or Andrews and Colombo last year? Or bringing in Randall Gay? Or signing Coleman, who had Parcells' endorsement? Yea, I don't get it that much, but I'm not sure if he actually switched them. Thomas spent alotof time at LOLB then. Moore's not a bad lineman? You don't need super-elite. He's a guy whose been with the team and plays his position well, whats wrong with locking that up? When did onside kicks become a bad idea? And have you seen this offense? Why would you want to throw a first year QB behind a terrible O-line, with your best WR injured, a TE that is more solid than good, and no running game at all? Well of course you're going to find things wrong with him if you expect conventional game planning. WTF do you expect this team to do? Play smash mouth football with other teams? We *suck* dude, and it goes beyond the coaching staff. The coaching staff is actually trying to find ways to make us look less crappy, but we suck so bad it doesn't work. Jesus you think this coaching staff actually WANTS to have to resort to using our 3rd QB to help our running game? Are you kidding me? You think they're HAPPY with the O-line? They've spent more time trying to fix the O-line than anything else since they've been here.
I agree with some of your points but one of them I completely disagree with, and agree with the poster you argued with. Revis and Harris were in fact bad draft picks. Not because they are bad players, but rather because they play positions that are pretty much rendered irrelevant if you have no defensive lineman to rush the passer and stop the run. You build football teams from the inside out,not vice versa. And you certianly dont trade up all your picks to get 2 players when ure team has so many holes to fill. I couldnt care less if our corners were Champ Bailey and Asante Samuel, and if our linebackers were suggs,ray lewis, and adalius thomas. If they play on a defense that has no defensive line, it is still going to be a pretty poor defense.
mangini is a football moron. if you cant see it watch more football. i hated the idea of his hiring. why would any team hire a past d-coordinator, that couldnt please his head coach? belichek did most of the calls anyway, especially in crucial parts of the game. his best days were as a defensive backs coach, so dont even bother using that portion of his past(d-coordinator) for justification to keep him. put it this way, if mangini leads this team to a championship next season.......i'll personally say im the biggest dumbass fan in football. if we have a similar year to this one, and i'll bet we wont win 10 games, every mangini supporter on this board can look forward to me calling them dumbasses, from then on. dream on mangini supporters, he is leading us in the wrong direction, especially in the long term. within three years we will have a new coach.
Yea...they're bad picks if the NFL cut off FA and the draft this year because the league would only be open another few years. Fact is, last years draft wasn't exactly loaded...and the fact that we have two of the best players in it is exciting. Seriously...WTF are you guys thinking? A BAD draft because we didn't get enough, fast enough to please you? Wow...two of the best players in this draft and people are complaining because we could have drafted...who? A bunch of backups and depth players? Hurray.
Wrong. the players liked him, and he was their union rep. He purposely kept his distance from everyone in TC because he was p.o.'d at management. He did act like a dick in TC, but it was a reaction to him feeling he got screwed by tannenbaum on their agreement, got screwed by Mangini for sticking him in the rookie dorm, and playing him with the third stringers in pre-season. I saw many occasions where other players would come over to him during practice to say something to him.
This is a kind serious question. What is Mangini always chewing on? Is it nicotine gum, chewing tobacco, just regular gum? It annoys the hell out of me.
