Look at this list and tell me where you see Cutler's name: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/ncaa/stats/2005/divia/individual/passing_efficiency_byQB_RATING.html Nowhere. And he led his team to a 5-6 record. And yet he gets anointed as perhaps the best QB in the draft by the "experts" and so many people buy it? At the very least, how can anyone look at his onfield performance and not call him a risky prospect whose only appeal is based on potential? To say that he is in any way a safer choice than Young or Leinart is assinine. Young and Leinart went a combined 67-4 in college. They are two of the greatest college QBs ever. As long as they stay healthy, they should both be pro bowl-caliber QBs. In fact, this could be an exciting rivalry between the two of them that could be great for the NFL. Remember how the Bird and Magic rivalry started with their playing for the national championship in college? I could see Cutler being maybe a 2nd or 3rd round choice based on potential. But Top 10? It just confounds me how so many people put their faith on hype rather than what they see with their own eyes on the field and on the statsheet. The bottom line is production. Many players look great in practice but then can't product it on the field. And to those who say the pro game is oh-so different from the college game, tell me how many great NFL QBs had college performances as mediocre as Cutler's. If you can't cut it against college competition, how can you do it at the next level? (And to those who label Young as a running QB, look at his yardage on the above list)
Cutler isn't just based off of potential though...he played in the tough SEC conference with a team lacking alot of talent and still performed well. He had 21 TD's and 9 INT's and threw for over 3000 yards. His stock has increased due to his tremendous physical abilities and his upside. I don't think there are many people at all who think Cutler is the best QB in the draft. I have Leinart, then young, then Cutler. While I understand Vince Young has a TON of potential...he is in fact a big risk. He played in a very vanilla offense at Texas and that will change dramatically in the NFL. I like Vince Young alot and wouldn't mind it if we drafted him because I think he has alot of positives to his game.
30-2 playing in the Big 12, a national championship, 2 Rose Bowl MVPs, #3 in pass efficiency, 1st ever to get 3000 yards passing and 1000 yards running in one season, Maxwell and Davey O'Brien winner, 1st team All America, 2nd in Heisman voting...and you call that POTENTIAL??!! Wow. See, that's my point. It is not like Young is some incredible athlete who some *project* to do well in the NFL. He has already done it on the field. And he has done it against the same competition as everyone else. In fact, he faced better competition than Leinart or Cutler did this past season. So if the others are so much better pro prospects, why couldn't they do any better against college competition than Young did? What, did the lack of good competition in college bore them? :rofl: All I am saying is the safest predictor of pro success is college success. There is no other formula you can come up with that is a better indicator. Michael Vick was a playmaker in college but not a great thrower. In the NFL he has been just that. Vince Young was a great runner AND a great passer in college. Odds are he will be the same in pro football. Does that guarantee he will be great in the NFL as well? Of course not, but you cannot make a better argument for anyone else except Leinart.
He's also a college system QB with a weird throwing motion, and a run first pass second QB. Despite his incredible talents, it is foolish to say he is nothing short of a boom/bust, high risk/high reward player.
no more than most any other college QB results, results, results absolutely not true. look at the stats. look at the film. Again, I can understand being suspicious of a guy doing so well in college, but to say that he is high risk is just stupid.
yeah we get it, you love young unconditionally, now shut the hell up about it we aren't drafting a qb anyways, at least on the first day...
Whether you like it or not Vince young is not made to be an NFL Qb right out of the gun. His scores on the Wonderlic were EMBARRASING. He ran an offense at Texas that is nothing like an NFL offense. He ran first, then threw. He may have been an award winner and probably one of the greatest college QB's ever but you are overrating his ability to succeed in the NFL. He has a low angle delivery that is going to have to be corrected. It may seem like I'm just listing negatives here, which I mostly am. But Vince Young would be horrible for this Franchise because he is not going to sit still and he could turn into Pennington all over again. Hurt EVERY year. I'd hate it if we took Young, or Cutler, or Leinart unless he's at 4. I love Leinart but hes not worth Mangold and Super Mario.
A better question would be why all the hate for Jay Cutler? We get that you're a Texas fan and want us to drop our entire board to draft Young at 4, but apparently you dont see or dont want to see the risk involved w/ drafting Young that early in the draft.
Or maybe I have seen Young up close and personal to where I am in a better poisiton to thwart all the erroneous tags placed on him. Young is not a loose cannon, run-first QB. He is very poised and smart on the field. If you don't believe me, ask Pete Carroll. On the final TD vs. USC, he went through all three of his progressions before deciding to run. That's what separates him from being merely a good QB to being an almost unstoppable QB. If the WRs are open he can hit them on the numbers. If the WRs aren't open, he can run.
That's not even worthy of a response. A lot of QBs have great college statistics and don't make it in the NFL. Again he was a system QB, and that helped him out statistically. I've watched him. Any QB that even considers running before throwing is a huge question mark. Even if he isn't run first, pass second ALL of the time, history shows that QBs like him are a huge risk. We know that you're a diehard Texas fan, which affects your objectivity on Young. The fact is, he is a huge risk in this draft, a boom or bust QB. That is undeniable. Anyone who says it's not is not being objective.
Nobody on this board is doubting he has a ton of potential to be a really good QB. I compare him to Randall Cunningham...but there are some things to be concerned with. - His smarts- scoring a 16 on the easy wonderlic test isn't a good sign...The NFL is such a complicated business. Not only will he have to learn how to play in an NFL offense, but most importantly he will need to learn how to read a defense. Can he do it? - His throwing mechanics- this isn't them most glaring cause for concern, but is something he will need to improve on in the NFL. There are alot of things to be excited about for Vince Young. Like I have said I love Vince Young and I love what he brings to his team and the game. But to say his game is flawless and their is nothing to be worried about is craziness. Would I be upset if we took young 4th overall? No. I trust this coaching staff and front office to pick the best player. But there are things that will need to be fixed. Do I think Vince can do it? Yes absolutely. But it isnt 100% guaranteed.
I feel pretty much the same way. Young is boom or bust.He has the most athletic ability and the highest ceiling of the Big 3 QBs, but he also carries the higher risk,IMO. I definitely wouldn't mind the Jets taking him at 4.After the Rose Bowl I was drooling at the idea of Young in a Jets uni. Of course ,I also wouldn't mind the selections of Leinart,Cutler,D'Brick,or Super Mario either at #4. If the Jets keep the 4 pick,yet select someone other than those 5,I would be disappointed.
Young has produced results, however I think cutler in that offense and on that team would do just as good. Im not sold on Cutler and I truly believe that Lienart is by far the best quarterback in this draft. Young does tend to run first a lot, and his low delivery will bite him one day. That could easily lead to an injury. he also lobs his balls to his recievers. Young would not do well on that vanderbilt team at all. I also dont see him doing well in the NFL considering he lived off a system that will not be seen in the NFL. Can he do it? yes, however while he has the highest cieling of the 3 quarterbacks he is the biggest risk. I wouldnt be surprised if he ends up at WR.
Gino Torretta, Eric Crouch, Chris Weinke, Danny Wuerffel, Andre Ware, & Jason White Won the Heisman award. That did not make them successful at the next level. I like Vince Young, but there is a risk in drafting him. If he can adapt to an NFL style offense under center then he will excel, but that is a big IF.
Have you ever seen him take the snap from under center and go through all of his progressions in a 5-step drop with average-300 LB defensive linemen crashing through the line and a linebacker-sized safety blitzing his strongside?
In his highschool days he ran the offense from under center. He will probably have to work alot on his footwork but its not like he's never taken a snap from under center in his football career.
Yes, Vince Young might have an unorthodox throwing style, but Jay Cutler has many mechanical problems as well. Jay Cutler, tends to be believe in his arm too much and does not set his feet properly. Jay Cutler can also be an erratic gunslinger throwing passes in good coverage because of his arm strength. He makes bad decisions and struggles to throw the deep ball accurately. He has not faced top competition and he has struggled to achieve team success. Overall, Jay Cutler has a just as good of a chance of becoming a bust as Vince Young does. For the people who say that Vince Young=Mike Vick, it can be stated that Jay Cutler=Kyle Boller.
High School? What was that? 4 years ago? 5, maybe? With a 100th of the plays and players with pimples? That is not really relevant to his NFL career.
