ill do it if you include the AL....my pops does an NL only and it requires alot of time( I mean alot) and research. Not to mention, the NL sucks azz if you change it to all ML, im in
I have to stay with NL-only. It's against my rights to include the inferior baseball league. I want a challenge.
Inferior, thats funny. Besides the AL winning the last 3/4 WS look they have also dominated the All Star game since they instated the home field advantage rule. It seems funny that an inferior leauge would do so well when its the best against the best in a MEANINGFUL game. Please don't say that the game doesn't matter or that theres no coaching because these coaches are trying to earn home field advantage for their teams. Not to mention the countless number of pitchers who have dominated in the NL only to come to the and watch their ERA raise a solid 1-2 points (Jared Wright, Randy Johnson, Kyle Farnsworth) just to name a few who have ruined my life personally. Stick to your bunting and "coaching" and well continue embarrassing you in the all star game
Allight finally a fantasy league with real baseball. None of this DL crap, I want in. I like a challenge so I'd love to be involved. Send me a PM
Come back when you have a better argument than that the AL beats the NL in the All-Star game. It's a popularity contest. The fact that you could potentially have a Florida Marlins or Kansas City Royals relief pitcher screwing you in the 9th inning makes this game lose all credibility to begin with. Oh, and Josh Beckett's transition to the AL was awful, I guess. If you look past your team's shitty signings, you'd see that there are plenty. I'm still sobbing about losing the All-Star game in July. Keep embarrassing us in a pointless ball game. I don't mind.
meaningless? its home field advantage in the playoffs if thats meaningless then your obviously an idiot. if your a manager in the allstar game putting in those players in the 9th inning then you deserve to lose and thats just terrible managing. how is it a popularity contest when each team has to have a representative? and ever if they are on those bad teams, theyre still on the all star team, the representatives from the marlins and royals... gil meche and miguel cabrera... your going to complain about having them on your team? josh beckett is an ace. he could play against the all star team everygame and hed still be good. and if there are plenty lets hear a few. if you think the AL is an inferior leauge why dont you just look back to the 2000 world series. that was pretty embarrasssing.
Obviously, you didn't understand my example. I said, "The fact that you could potentially have a Florida Marlins or Kansas City Royals relief pitcher screwing you in the 9th inning makes this game lose all credibility to begin with." Where in that does it say I'm complaining about Miguel Cabrera being on the NL All-Star team? If I must name a few more, Curt Schilling played roughly 13-14 seasons in the NL, first season that he moved to the AL and won 21 games and a ring. Pedro Martinez pitched five years in the NL and went on to play 7 great seasons with the Red Sox that included 4, 18+ win seasons and two Cy Youngs. Jamie Moyer started out with the Cubs. Went to Seattle and had two 20+ win seasons. ...to name a few. Yeah, the 2000 World Series was pretty embarrassing. I mean, the 2nd game had a steroid user starting and throwing an 8 inning, 2 hitter. That is embarrassing.
A couple things... Beckett's first year was pretty bad. He had an ERA of 5.01. Curt Schilling was one of the top pitchers in the game at the time, and his ERA jumped almost half a run in his first season in the AL. Pedro Martinez was entering his prime as the best pitcher of all time, so he's a special case. If he played in the NL those years his numbers would have been even better just for the fact of not facing the Yankees or DHs. Jamie Moyer did go to Seattle and have 2 20 win years... About 15 years later. He was in the AL for all but 31 innings in between. I'd say adjustments were made. The point is, if you take pitchers who are the top pitchers in baseball (Schilling, Pedro, etc), they will dominate either league. It's the guys who are mid-level in the NL who get bombed in the AL, and mid-level AL guys (Arroyo, Lowe) go to the NL and post far better numbers. Part of that is the pitchers hitting instead of guys like Ortiz, and part of it is that the AL just has more talented lineups in general.
People said the same thing about Barry Zito going to the NL and he was hideous for the Giants. I think it is only evident if everything is equal. For example a Josh Beckett moves from the suburbia of the Marlins who has probably the worst fans in the league and a team with a payroll lucky to hit 30 mil, to all of a sudden become seen as the #1 pitchers in the most baseball crazy areas in Boston. Even in the playoff run with Florida, it was more of a surprise more than anything, in Boston he came with the high expectations. Shawn Chacon came from a pitcher's hellhole to go to the Yankees to help them on their playoff run. Same thing could be said about Aaron Small that year where he just surprised the league that year. Now in the case for a pitcher like Chris Young he went from the Rangers after 2 years to go to the Padres, while his numbers did improve if you equate that he was going to a much friendlier pitchers ballpark and was improving as a pitcher, how much of the ERA jump was actually contributed to switching leagues.
Well, Barry Zito sucks anyway. He's one of the most overrated players probably ever. Obviously there will e exceptions. Chacon and Small clearly weren't very good pitchers, they just both happened to get hot and AL hitters hadn't seen enough of them to adjust. Look at what happened after that. Chacon posted an ERA of 7.00 in 63 innings the following year, while Small threw only 27 2/3 innings to the tune of an 8.46 ERA, and hasn't seen the majors since. They both had fluke years at the same time, nothing more.
This argument is ridiculous. Anyone that says pitching in the NL is equal to pitching in the AL needs to have their head checked. There are no free outs in the AL. There are no offenses in the NL that match up to the likes of the Yankees, Red Sox, Tigers, Angels, and Indians. The only 2 that come close are the Mets and Phillies but they simply lack the depth to match up.
