I've been very quiet since coming back to this board because there's just so much nonsense posted this time of year. With that in mind here's the way I see the Jets needs at this time. 1. Say what you want the Jets need a QB. Pennington is not the answer long-term, but he would be a great short-term solution. I simply did not see enough in Clemens to believe he can be a franchise QB. I don't care that the line sucked last year, I've seen other QBs play and look better behind a crappy line, the Jets Ken O'Brien as one example. While Ryan might be a reach at #6 that would not be a bad pick if the Jets brass feel he's a potential franchise QB. 2. The Jets need a CB. Reevis is great but the other CBs are average at best. I keep hoping Miller can come around but that's a longshot at this point. Picking the top CB on the Jets board would not be a bad pick at #6. You can never have enough good CBs and at this point the Jets have one. They also only have one good safety, but there is not safety worth taking at 6. 3. The Jets need a DE. When everyone wanted to trade Abraham I kept bringing up how bad the Jets pash rush was before Abraham and Ellis. Well Abraham is gone and with him went the pass rush. Ellis has been overrated from Day 1. He's adequate but never been anything special. Taking Chris Long at #6 would be a good pick. 4. The Jets sort of need a HB. If McFadden is there the Jets should draft him. Why? They have no one, not one single player, that scares anyone on offense. Their QBs don't scare anyone, their HBs don't scare anyone, their TEs don't scare anyone, their WRs don't scare anyone. Basically, the Jets offense doesn't scare anyone. McFadden has the potential to scare people and the Jets should take him at #6 if he's there. 5. The Jets OL was not built soley to run the ball. The Jets QBs were under constant pressure last year and the revamped line is not just expected to open lanes for the running backs but also to give the QB some time to find an open receiver. 6. Gholston scares me and should scare every Jets fan. Didn't the team waste a boatload of picks on another workout warrior a few years back? Game film shows his motor is not always running. He might be a great pick at 6, but he's a gamble. 7. Everyone keeps saying trade down if McFadden, Long, and Gholston are gone at 6. Well yeah, but it's not that easy. You have to have a partner willing to give you a reasonable deal to make it happen. 8. Bottom line, if the Jets get any of these players with the #6 pick I'd be satisfied: McFadden, Long, McKelvin, Cromartie, Ryan, and perhaps Gholston.
I think what the original poster is trying to say, is that we should draft a CB opposite to Revis with our #6 pick since we have no other good CB, and we should also draft a DE with the #6 pick since we can't pressure the QB, and we should draft a QB with that #6 pick in order to replace Clemens. Nevermind Madden, it's like this guy is playing Madden IN Madden. Even further removed from real life :breakdance:
I actually give credit for a well thought out post here. Unfortunately, there are too many unknowns to speculate. My guess is that whomever we pick, there will be a bunch of cheers drowned out by boos in the crowd. Unless of course, we pull a Bryan Thomas-esque unheard of pick, in which case the cheers and boos will be replaced by looks of shock and dumbfounded "huh?" Followed by boos, of course! This draft is a draft of six top guys - we have pick #6. Could be worse. Just makes for must watch TV on Saturday.
Quote: "...I don't care that the line sucked last year, I've seen other QBs play and look better behind a crappy line..." Whether you care or not, the QB had no chance behind that sieve of a line -- it could not run block and it certainly could not pass block. There was no time to make fakes. There was no time to make hand-offs. The RBs stole every yard they got, with little or no help from the OL. If you don't care about the OL then you can't understand football, in my estimation. QBs are not supermen. At best, they are very much akin to the third stage of a three stage rocket -- without the foundation of the first two stages, that third stage will never get close to escaping earth into space. There's no judging skill players when there is no OL. Simple as that.
Quote: "...The Jets OL was not built soley to run the ball. The Jets QBs were under constant pressure last year and the revamped line is not just expected to open lanes for the running backs but also to give the QB some time to find an open receiver...." The BS offensive strategy relies heavily on misdirection -- you must be able to run the ball well in order to force the defense to take a play fake. This offense needs many weapons -- but all of these weapons depend first and foremost on a successfully dominant OL that can own the line of scrimmage as a rule, not just some of the time as an exceptional accident. The BS offensive strategy is not focused on putting all the skill players on the line of scrimmage and throwing from the spread, as in the Kiddie Leagues. The NYJs to be successful will have to run and pass and the defense cannot ever know for sure what's coming at them until its too late.
Quote: "...Bottom line, if the Jets get any of these players with the #6 pick I'd be satisfied: McFadden, Long, McKelvin, Cromartie, Ryan, and perhaps Gholston...." I believe that if the NYJs pick at No. 6, they should reach for defense, but they should certainly not reach for offense at a $20 million guarantee. The BS offensive strategy does not have to be star driven, in order to be successful.
So basically, you'd be happy with anyone at #6 that we could pick. As for Ryan...IF he's a franchise QB, which I don't know if he is, then I wouldn't mind picking him. Is he a franchise QB? Or is he simply a product of hype and of being slightly better than Flacco and Brohm?
You guys need to draft Darren McFadden. He is an absolute beast. I have watched every college game of his career. I'm a hog fan but he is the best we will ever have. The Jets will also inherit the entire state of Arkansas as Jets fans. The hogs are our pro team. We have no other team. It all about the Razorbacks here. Darren McFadden is the most popular person in the state. I would love to see him in a Jets uniform. I never liked yall before but if DMAC is on yall's team it would make many Arkansas fans start liking the Jets a whole lot more Go Jets. WOOOOOO PIG SOOOOOOOIE!!!!
You totally missed my point. I never said I don't care about offensive lines. In fact, just the opposite, they are extremely important. What I said was I've seen many QBs play on bad teams with bad offensive lines and look a lot better than Clemens. I hope I'm wrong. I hope given more time to set up he's the second coming. I just don't feel that's the case. And I disagree you can't judge skill players without a good OL. In fact one might argue you tell the great ones even more clearly because if they look good behind a crap offensive line they'd look even better behind a poor one.
Having a star that scares people is always helpful. Teams frequently put in special defenses just to take certain players out of the game, which only opens things up for the other players. So while it's not a requirement, I do believe it would cut down the aggressiveness of opposing defenses.
QFT. Just look at the Super Bowl teams. Patriots - Tom Brady, Randy Moss... scary! Giants - Brandon Jacobs, Plaxico Burress, Eli Manning WHEN he's on... scary! These are guys that need to be game planned for. The only guy on O that teams need to game plan for at all is Coles, and he doesn't come close to the guys listed above.
Well not really. I wouldn't want Dorsey or Ellis as I don't see them as fitting the Jets defensive scheme. And like you I haven't really seen enough of Ryan to know how good he is. But there's something that tells me teams are going to regret passing on him. My preference is really for McFadden #1, Long #2, McKelvin/Cromartie #3, and Ryan #4. So if any of those guys are picked I'd be happy.
I've seen a decent amount of Ryan; he's a good quarterback, and he has a lot of good things to like about him. He could be Tom Brady, he could be Matt Hasselbeck, he could be Joey Harrington, I don't know. I didn't think he was as good as other people thought he was when he was in college, but I've been wrong before. By saying, "Pretty much anyone" I was excluding Ellis and Dorsey, since neither one fits us at all at this point. That leaves the choices as C. Long, Gholston, McFadden, Ryan, or maybe a CB, all of which you'd be happy with.
