POSTED 8:54 a.m. EST; LAST UPDATED 10:20 a.m. EST, March 24, 2006 BRONCOS GOT BEST OF ABRAHAM TRADE It's usually good to be the middle man. For the Denver Broncos, who helped bridge the gap between the New York Jets and the Atlanta Falcons in their recent trade involving defensive end John Abraham, it was very good to serve as the conduit for the deal. Here's what happened. The Jets slapped the franchise tag for a second straight year on Abraham, and Abraham wanted out. So the Jets tried to trade him. In order to make the trade of a franchise player happen, the old team and the new team need to reach an agreement -- and the new team and the player need to strike a deal, too. The Jets found what they were looking for from the Seattle Seahawks, who offered their first-round selection (No. 31 overall) in the April draft. But Abraham and the 'Hawks couldn't hammer out a contract for his services. In Atlanta, Abraham was able to reach an agreement, but the Falcons weren't willing to send to New York their first-round choice (No. 15 overall) or quarterback Matt Schaub. Enter the Broncos. By sending one of their first-round choices (No. 29 overall) to Atlanta, plus a third-rounder (No. 93) and a fourth-rounder in 2007, Denver pocketed the No. 15 overall choice from the Falcons. Then, the Falcons sent the No. 29 pick to the Jets and ended up with Abraham, a three this year, and a four next year. Under the trade chart that most, if not all, NFL teams use when valuing draft picks, the Broncos picked up -- at a minimum -- 180 points in pick value by getting the No. 15 pick in exchange for the No. 29, the No. 93, and a fourth-rounder in 2007. And that assumes that the Broncos will have the worst record in 2006, giving them the first pick in each round in 2007. The more likely scenario is that the Broncos will make the playoffs (again), and the net gain to the Broncos will be more like 240 points. The Falcons also made out here, getting a three and a four by standing firm on their refusal to give up their first-round pick. "A three in this year's draft is huge," said one league source. "This is a deep draft and that pick is going to be a good player." The bigger question here, however, is why in the hell didn't the Jets just send Abraham and a three and a four to the Falcons for the No. 15 pick? If, as rumored, the Jets are considering a jump from No. 4 to No. 2, the No. 4 and the No. 15 pick will get the deal done, and then some. Heck, with the No. 15 pick on the table the Jets could (given another 100 or so points) jump all the way to the top and nab Reggie Bush, assuming the Texans are willing to slide down to No. 4. Instead, the Jets will need to throw in some more of their own picks to package with the No. 4 and No. 29 selections. Based on the straight numbers on the trade chart, the Jets will have to send more to the Saints at No. 2 than they would have had to send to Atlanta to get the No. 15 pick. "They basically gave up Abraham for a second round pick," said a league source. "Hard to figure. I guess they decided that any deal for Abraham was better than no deal." While we won't say that Tangini got fleeced on this one, they missed an opportunity to improve their total standing on draft day. Man, I am so sick of the media always ripping the Jets. Yes, we could of maybe held out for more, but then there was a chance we get stuck with him. He didn't want to play in New York, and everyone knew we HAD to get rid of him. Oh well, Go Jets!!! Dont trade up!!!!
Funny how 1 league source says a 3rd round pick is awesome in this draft, yet another source called #29 a 2nd round pick. The 2 things do not add up. If the draft has great players available in round 3, it just goes with reason that there are great players at the bottom of round 1.
Do you really think they have a league source? And I thought get any 1st rounc pick for John Abraham was a stretch. But anyone can look at any trade and take either side if they want too.
You're missing the point to protect your sacred idea that we didn't get fleeced. PFT is right, the Jets got the worst in this deal. You don't trade a premeire pass rusher, and you IRA's can spin all you want that JA isn't an impact player who has skills that any team would want, but at least 2 very good GM's would disagree with you. The Falcons got back a Pro Bowler and two draft picks including one on day 1 of this draft. They didn't just get a #3 on this deal. The Jets got hosed on this deal, per usual. Meet the old boss.......you know the rest.
Just out of curiosity, what would you consider to be a proper compensation for Abe? You say getting a 1st round pick is getting hosed, so i was just wondering what you think we should have received...
I'd look at what's available in this draft and tell the Falcons that we weren't taking anything less than their original first round pick. There's a huge difference between the #15 overall and the #29. I really believed that the Jets had the hammer on this deal as the Falcs desperately wanted JA and were willing to pay him huge dollars. I just wasn't sure that they would have the stones to hold Rich McKay to what they originally said they would.
Who the hell is this IRA guy you speak of? If the Jets got fleeced, I'd say it. I don't think they robbed anyone (which is the only good trade in some people's eyes). However, we got the #29 pick AND 8.33M of cap room. This is going to allow us to sign 2-3 guys, which is huge for a team with a lot of holes.
Well, maybe you think playing another year with an injury prone DE who's not willing to play in playoffs with a scretch and release him after paying him another $8.Xm is a great idea. No-one would ever give up a first rounder for a player that (as everyone knew) wants out of town. Falcons did - got hosed - nothing else to say.
I agree that Denver got the best of the deal, but that has nothing to do with us. IMO Atlanta got the worst of it, they kept saying they wouldn't give up there first, then they do and only get a 3rd back this year. Plus they had to give ABe all that money, that in the end won't be worth it IMO..
It has everything to do with us. Are you kidding? Tangini allowed ATL to bring in a 3rd party to water down what they were offering back for Abe. You guys are going to great and silly lengths to preserve this myth that the "new" FO is any better than the old one.
Our FO didn't want to give up the middle round picks to get the 15th. We wanted a first and got a first. Raise the bar Phleming, raise the bar..
You are basing your analysis on faulty assumptions same as the original quote. It is all based on "rumors" that the Jets want to use the extra 1st to trade up. Maybe, just maybe, they did not want to include those other picks, becuase than want to stockpile picks and not trade them away. This team still has alot of holes and serious depth issues. To use 3 picks to trade up for one makes no sense. Their whole philosophy during this situation was to keep their picks and get more. Based on what they have been doing, I highly doubt they will be trading up. More than likely they will use the 4th to trade down. All of these "insiders" and sportswriters just want the Jets, who are in the HUGE NYC market to draft one of the top QBs. It is the sex pick, the one that they can write about all summer. They all assume the FO is not content with Penny and Ramsey this year, and will not wait until next year to address a franchise QB. This is a bad assumption and one that does not fit with what they have been doing since they took over.
Excellent post. The only ones bashing this trade are the guys who bitch about everything where the Jets are related. They are also the ones who were bashing the hell out of Abe for missing playoff games, and having long stretches of no socks or pressures. But now that the Jets have traded him, he's the most elite pass rushing in league history.
Myth, belief, faith, hope.. the Messiah is here.. if you ignore the facts. From the HC to all the new Ass't coaches to all the free agents signed (except for Tim Dwight, a career backup and PR), not one of them had so much as sniffed any any interest from any other NFL team. Former coaches had to shoot their way out of Hofstra, Herm Edwards, Mike Heimerdinger, Doug Marrone and the Jets new coordinators were both 3rd or 4th choices. Staffing gets a grade 'D' unable to attract any experienced coaches, despite trying. Free agency, so far another 'D' unable to sign any free agent who atrracted interest and interviews from other teams except for Tim Dwight. Draft. Hold on to your hats, the deck chairs of the Titanic has been rearranged. Bradway is still the head evaluator and the entire scouting staff who brought the Jets the last five drafts are still doing the evaluations and setting up the draft board based on their grading system.
Good point. Nobody knows if we're moving up or not or what we will have to give up to do so. There's also little reason to truly move up in my mind as we can get a good QB if we go that route at #4. Bottom line is the Jets decided they wanted to get rid of JAbe and that they wanted a first round pick for him. They got what they wanted. Could they have done better? Yes. JAbe was probably worth the 15th pick but that is hardly being fleeced. Denver did make out very well and I think the best of the three. Atlanta got screwed in the Denver-side of the deal but the value of Abe made the deal good for them.
While at 1st glance - the jets got what they wanted ina 1st round pick - It does boggle the mind why they didn't wind up with that 15th pick... Even if they wanted to use that to trade down and stockpile picks... Every Front office makes mistakes and has strikes against it - Even Parcells... I have to say, I wiped the slate clean with Mangini / Tanenbaum but, this is the 1st head scratcher to me.... I can't go crazy cuz we don't know exactly how the deal went down - Maybe our 3rd wasn't as good as Denver's 3rd - Someone can easily check that - But, Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm. Again, not a HUGE deal..... Some people are going a little overboard calling this regime the Same as the old... But, what I like is the fact that they will BUILD this team and spend the cap money as they see fit - they won't stick to what's here and force systems on the talent here - They will get the players THET want and get rid of players that they don't believe bring in the proper returns per investment.... I'm sure getting rid of Abe wasn't an easy decision but, they want to spend that money differently and I love it. Same Ole????? That's ridiculous - The last regime forced systems, made up systems, kept old players and brought in rejects.... THIS IS NOT THE SAME... Win or lose they are doing it their way - BRAVO.
I was with you until the last part. While I'm not upset with what this FO is doing they are doing very similar things that the old regime did. Herm came in and tried to install his system, Mangini is doing the same thing. Difference is that Herm/TB may not have had the ability to cut the players who didn't fit their scheme so it took longer to get their players. So far we've brought in Tim Dwight, Kimo, and Chattam. These are the same type of FAs the past regime got bashed for bringing in. Kimo is on the downside of his career so instead keeping an older guy in Mawae we brought in a guy basically the same age on the other line. Again, I actually have no problem with the moves themselves but to say this regime is doing things differently is a stretch to me. They are doing things their way for sure and that's great and I, for one, think they have the potential to do some very good things for our team.
Why do you care about what the Jets do? As you've said before, you're going to root for the Chiefs this season.
i agree completely. they got the #15 overall pick in the draft. they moved up 14 spots!!! and i bet you that they take deangilo williams too, considering they dont have bell or anderson anymore. it fills the hole that they needed the most. the broncos FO are geniouses. this trade was perfect for them.
Isn't it kind of hard to say who got the better end of the deal until we see how the season plays out? Otherwise, isn't it just pure speculation?
