http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/5047/splits;_ylt=ApmMPTVBuEvEK_xOTJTE6Wn.uLYF This gives you the breakdown of Chad's stats. Pointing out the obvious for the 10k time, if Chad plays good we win if he doesn't we lose, SIMPLE. We don't have a running game like SD or a defense like the Bears. We have a pretty good defense and probably a little below average running game. We need Chad to play his ass off and get some help around the league.
We need Chad to step up and win a game for the jets and not have our team have to be perfect every week to win. We need a leader who can win games when the rest of the team is not playing well. Anybody can do it when everything is perfect. It's Clemens time.
you guys are nuts, he is the only reason why we have 7 wins? the guy is a above average QB and proven. we need him more than he needs us, if we dont have Chad, we are playing Ramsey or Kellen (by the way I was not impressed with his play on sunday) and have 3-4 wins. Wake up!!! start using logic, not emotion
Clemens has not even completed a pass in garbage time opportunities. What makes you think he is the second comming?
Logic? Chad is above average? Only reason we have 7 wins? ugh Code: G GS Att Comp Pct Yds YPA Lg TD Int Tkld 20+ 40+ Rate 13 13 387 248 64.1 2619 6.77 71 14 [B][COLOR="Red"]15[/COLOR][/B] 25/140 29 6 79.6 This is above average, are you kidding? You're telling me that another mediocre QB can't put up these pedestrian #'s and win 7 games with this team? Get real, there was no logic whatsoever in your post.
Who said anything about second coming? Chad can't get it done and carry a team when the rest of the team is playing poorly. That was his point. That is reality, it has nothing to do w/ Clemens.
Sometime last week my brother and I compared Eli to Pennington. Pretty similar numbers. Eli gets trashed all the time for being inconsistent. Pennington, who is my boy, is playing pretty inconsistent right now and deserves the critisicm, but I don't think he's to blame for the loss to Buffalo.
What makes you think he is not? The guy was drafted in the second round. He will get his opportunity. You are judging him on mop up plays that involve Prison break type collapses on the O-Line. I want to see him play a whole game. I tell you what. He was more impressive in his scant plays in preseason than Chad and Ramsey were. Remember that 2 minute drive against Tampa in the preseason? And that fade pass that Cotchery dropped or that back of the endzone in that same game? Or how about the TD pass on the run to Reggie Newhouse against Washington in the back of the endzone in preaseason? And this was on limited time. That is the QB that I think Kellen Clemens will be. Not a mop up guy.
The bottom line is Chad will never get it done when the pressure is on his shoulders to win a game. Clemens might be a bust Chad has already proven he is not the answer. It's time to go with the Rookie behind door number 2!
The only thing proven about Chad is his inconsistency.....PROVEN at what? Above-aveage compared to who? Testaverde playing for the PATS this year? To Joey Harrington? Save me from the drama. He can't hack it anymore- this much is clear....
Among NFL quarterbacks with at least 1,500 pass attempts, Chad Pennington's 65.1 career completion percentage ranks second-highest all-time to Kurt Warner's 65.5, as of December 2, 2006. Career Stats Career Stats Passing Rushing Sacked Fumbles Season Team G QBRat Comp Att Pct Yds Y/G Y/A TD Int Rush Yds Y/G Avg TD Sack YdsL Fum FumL 2000 NY Jets 2 127.1 2 5 40.0 67 33.5 13.4 1 0 1 0 0.0 0.0 0 1 4 0 0 2001 NY Jets 2 79.6 10 20 50.0 92 46.0 4.6 1 0 1 11 5.5 11.0 0 1 8 0 0 2002 NY Jets 15 104.2 275 399 68.9 3120 208.0 7.8 22 6 29 49 3.3 1.7 2 22 135 2 1 2003 NY Jets 10 82.9 189 297 63.6 2139 213.9 7.2 13 12 21 42 4.2 2.0 2 25 160 8 2 2004 NY Jets 13 91.0 242 370 65.4 2673 205.6 7.2 16 9 34 126 9.7 3.7 1 18 103 5 2 2005 NY Jets 3 70.9 49 83 59.0 530 176.7 6.4 2 3 6 27 9.0 4.5 0 9 52 7 2 2006 NY Jets 13 79.6 248 387 64.1 2619 201.5 6.8 14 15 26 74 5.7 2.8 0 25 140 5 3 Career 58 89.0 1015 1561 65.0 11240 193.8 7.2 69 45 118 329 5.7 2.8 5 101 602 27 10 Last updated through games completed on Dec 11, 2006 I can cut and past too. Get with it and start passing some of thoes classes ar a shit college in a shit state.
What the hell are you talking about? Please try to use the code function too next time those stats are pretty impossible to read? And whatever you do don't bring up the amazing completion % of Chad, that's more of example as to why our offense will always be mediocre with him because they're a result of checkdowns. I'm still waiting for your amazing logic there tough guy.
ok ok I crossed the line, but what QB have we ever had that even resembles what Chad has done? Neil, Glenn, Vinny, Bubby, Kenny O (actually was a decent QB), Brooks, Ray, Rick, Boomer, Tony.....I mean do you guys even remember? Probably not. What do you think BIG BLUE is saying abut Eli? Thats the problem with all of us, me included. The QB in the NFL gets way too much credit for a win and way too much credit for a loss. In my opnion a good QB would manage the game, make the diffiult throws and not take too many chances ala CHad. Do I think he played like crap last week....sure it is obvious, but you must also rembember the talent that he is sourounded with....very minimal in todays NFL
I don't put last week's loss on the talent around him, the WR corps is sound, the OL is serviceable, and our RB rotation isn't the worst in the NFL. The team around chad isn't forcing him to make stupid plays and decisions, that's of his own volition.
Okay, it seems like we pretty much agree on what type of QB Chad is: the cerebral game manager type who if you give protection can manage an offense fairly mistake-free. I think on any given season we can count on Chad to win us 9 games even with mediocre talent around him. The thing myself and others are saying is what happens when the protection and running game fail and Chad needs to step it up? Chad folds. When we play teams with great D's we get what we had in the Pitt playoff game - 3 points of offense. And even more alarming is his erratic decision making that he's been developing. Where we had a QB who never used to throw INT's in the Red Zone and make smart decisions w/ the ball, now we're seeing some uncharacteristically awful decisions from Chad and more INT's than TD's.
Please spare me the Fuzzy Mathematics. If you try hard enough you can find a mathematical reason why Vinnie Testaverde should be in the Hall of Fame!
Based on those numbers would you rather have Kurt Warner playing QB for the Jets? Would you rather have had Kurt Warner in 2004? Personally at this point I don't want either of them QBing the Jets, nor Joe Montana or Steve Young. Because honestly all of the above are incapable of taking the Jets where they need to go in 2006 and 2007.
And at the same time, when Vinnie was starting here people in mass whined every week about when his next INT would be. Nevertheless, he managed to get us a game away. It doesn't matter who is taking snaps for this team for the majority. If they don't see wins, they are patient only for a short while, then it is like blood in the water and sharks eat free day.
Chad is Vinny this year. he wins some games and throws more picks than TD's. so the fact we've only put garbage behind center for the last decade means that Chad is capable of winning it all for us? your opinion of the good qb might be off. a good qb takes the chances and makes those throws that look risky, look easy. chad never throws good out routes, the only time he makes impressive throws is when he floats balls over coverage and it drops by the reciever. chad does not make difficult throws though, chad disects coverage and dumps the ball off in front of the 1st down marker. this offense is built to open up the field. chad simply cant do it. his best yr was with hackett (might be wrong about that). a dink and dunk coordinator. does chad give us the best chance to win? yes. considering we have a rookie and a imobile cannon backing him up. if we lose this game, am I and plenty of others ready to see what the rookie has to offer? yes. it will be ugly due to the nature of our offense and him being a rookie, but its identical to what the broncos are doing. the move is for next yr not this one. because ultimately we know exactly what we have with Pennington. 9-7 or 10-6. always, never more, never less.
