DISCLAIMER: My whole point isn't how they played last season but how they fit in a new "man" scheme (assuming a new scheme will be implemented) With Sparano coming in everyone expects a change of philosophy on O and, especially, along the OL. Callahan was more of a zone guy while Sparano is more of a man guy. Let's look at who we have on the OL. Tackles: Ferguson - 6'6'' & 310 Hunter - 6'5" & 318 Ducasse - 6'5" & 325 Howard - 6'7" & 333 Ferguson is not in discussion, had a down year but overall he's our LT full stop. Hunter and Ducasse will both benefit greatly from having Sparano. They are much more suited for a man blocking scheme where power, and not brain, is the most important attribute. I wouldn't be opposed to giving Hunter another year as the starter as I think a whole off-season and the new philosophy will help him. How many times did Schotty leave him out there with no help? Sparano won't do that. He's also, allegedly, the most powerful guy on the team. Howard I have no idea, but he certainly has the measurables desired to play in a "man" scheme. He'll compete for a spot in TC. Guards: Slauson - 6'5" & 315 Moore - 6'3" & 305 Schaluderaff - 6'4" & 302 Turner - 6'4" & 305 Kroul - 6'3" & 300 Here is where the problems start. Except for Slauson, who btw is in his final year and I can see Dallas making a push for him in 2012 so we better extend him, the other 4 guys all fit a zone scheme much better than a man one. Moore doesn't have the power anymore to play man, Turner is basically a Callahan's product and I don't know about Schaluderaff but he certainly doesn't have the right measurables. Kroul is both not big enough and a Callahan project. The main attribute of these 4 guys is brain, not power, for this reason it might hurt them to move to a "man" scheme. With Moore costing us 4 mill with no guaranteed money, Turner being a FA, Schlauderaff being a Cally project and Kroul not even good enough to make the 53 under Callahan I think there will be BIG changes in store this off-season. Center: Mangold - 6'4" & 307 Best player on offense. No discussion on him. At the end of the day, IF Sparano sticks to his man blocking mentality, I predict there will be changes at RG and between the interior OL backups. I know size isn't a direct measurment of power but, compared to the Dolphins interior OL, ours are severely undersized. He could however decide to tweak his schemes to the players we have... who knows. For example Moore is also a leader on this team so the FO might not be willing to let him go. Miami Dolphins Tackles: Long ( 6'7" & 317), Murtha (6'7" & 315), Colombo (6'8" & 320), Garner (6'7" & 325), Barker (6'7" & 325). Guards: Incognito (6'3" & 324), Jerry (6'5" & 328), Feinga (6'4" & 337), Carey (6'5" & 340)
Are you insinuating that Hunter should still even be on the team? He should have been cut on the field the minute we lost to Miami.
I think Ducasse is probably the most powerful guy on the team. Hopefully super fist pumper can get make him a starter with a less complex system.
I can see Hunter getting better with a full off-season as the starter. Also he wasn't bad when he had help and with more 2 TE sets he won't be left alone out there. Mulligan needs to shoot himself in the head. He's a penalty machine... Imagine a formation with a powerful RG, Hunter at RT and Ducasse as a 6th OL next to him. A RB dream...
Dude. I have re-watched every game this season and there is nothing redeemable about Hunter in 2011. He almost looked like he was intentionally missing blocks. Mulligan's penalties earned him a gunshot to the head? Then Hunter needs to be drawn and quartered. He is a pathetic excuse for a football player, and on the field, the biggest reason for the slide they had near the end of the season. You can't see shit. Hunter needs to go.
If Mr. Field Goal Fist Pump can turn Vladimir Ducasse into a legit starting RT then this hire will be well worth it. It would save us 1. Drafting a RT allowing us to make a move for Mohamed Sanu in the 2nd Round, and 2.Signing a RT allowing us to go after Michael Griffin, Cliff Avril or Ben Grubbs as upgrades at FS, OLB or OG
His contract isn't guaranteed so he'll get a chance to show Sparano what he can do in his system... if by Spetember 4 he doesn't have Sparano's approval he will be let go. Don't get me wrong... I agree that Hunter sucked this year in pass protection. I'm just saying I think he cna rebound from this bad year. Especially if we run more and max protect more. I think with a full off-season as the starter and some help (either Ducasse or a true blocking TE) he can be more successful in this new system... but ultimately the Jets can cut ties with no financial loss so it's win-win.
I agree with abyzmul that Hunter doesn't deserve a place on this team. Giving him the starting position again at RT is just crazy. If they decide to keep him (which I think would be dumb), then he should have to fight to earn his roster spot. The only think he should be given is a plane ticket out of town. Ducasse is the player I think who benefits the most from the switch in blocking style. Hopefully, this will enable him to become a full-time starter and fulfill the potential they envisioned for him when they drafted him. If he can become a road grader in the rushing attack and solid vs the pass then the OL will return to one of the best OLs in the game. If that is the case, and McKnight gets more carries the Jets rushing attack should be strong and they should almost always be able to gain good yardage over the right side. Saying that Moore doesn't have the power any more to play RG is not only wrong but stupid imo. He has been one of the strongest players on the team. If the Jets screw over Moore, then they deserve for this move to backfire. He has been their best OL or one of their best OL for close to 10 years. He has been the OL who has consistently graded out the highest and opened holes for the rushing attack. He can still play. He was coming off a hip injury last year and had Hunter beside him. There's no telling how much both of those factors affected him last year. He'll be solid for another year or two. They already fucked with him a couple of years ago. If they try it again, I hope he tells them to fuck off then goes and makes Miami or NE better. Mangold isn't a mauler. He is more cerebral, and imo he will be affected more by a power blocking scheme than Moore. Slauson is only a passable OG anyway, but based on what I've read and seen about him, he is more of a scrapper, power guy than a cerebral, finesse type blocker. They definitely need to get bigger and stronger at the LG spot, particularly since Brick is no power guy and a bit of a liability in the running attack. They also need a TE who can block.
OMG! Dude, I'm sorry but that is just laughable. You don't have a clue what you're talking about. Moore is a powerful RG, and if Ducasse develops at RT, then the Jets will have that "RB's dream" on the right side of the OL. Even saying that Hunter would be a part of that is idiotic.
I'm sorry but you're the idiotic fan in here. 1) Moore lost a step in the run game this season because of his hip surgeries. Rex fucking Ryan admitted so. At 32, and 9 seasons as a starter, I don't see him getting that energy back. 2) Hunter is not a problem in the run game and prob never will be. He sucks in pass protection badly, but he never had a problem in the run game. 3) Ducasse is the best guy to put in the jumbo TE position atm, that's why I put him in that "fantasy".
You are totally effing clueless. Yes, Moore was bothered last season and lost a step last year. It doesn't mean he won't be fully recovered and better by this season. Just because Hunter wasn't a "problem" in the rushing attack doesn't mean he is the answer either. He is not a road grader or mauler. He is only mediocre in run blocking. Ducasse is the best guy skills wise to be playing RT in the running attack, not the jumbo TE position. You have no clue what you're talking about. The RT is more of a key component in run blocking than a TE, and he really doesn't move well enough to play TE. That whole "jumbo" TE thing is just because the Jets didn't have a powerful blocking TE anyway. You need to stick to Madden.
1) Look at Faneca. Great player... but when linemen start losing health they rarely get back to top power again. I would have more faith in Moore if we had kept Callahan's scheme but with a new man blocking scheme, coming off hip surgeries at 32 with 9 seasons as a starter I think the odds are against Moore being a factor in the run game next year. I love the guy, I'm just being realistic. 2) I'm not saying he's the fucking answer. I'm saying he's legit in the running game. And with a new man blocking scheme he can be even better as power is his biggest asset. In the RUN game. 3) If we don't land Reiff or Martin in the draft someone please point out the name of a player available in FA or in the draft that can come in and take Hunter's place from day 1. And don't say Ducasse because that is laughable. 4) Really? The RT is more importante than the TE in the running game? I had no idea. Ok, call it 6th OL and not jumbo TE... are you happy now? All I'm saying is that Ducasse is very powerful and can help out in the running game as an extra linemen. How does that not make sense to you?
Here are the OT free agents... tell me who is better than Hunter and will come at a reasonable price (3 mill): D'Anthony Batiste (ARZ) - OT Levi Brown (ARZ) - OT Brandon Keith (ARZ) - OT Mark LeVoir (BAL) - OT Demetrius Bell (BUF) - OT Erik Pears (BUF) - OT Anthony Collins (CIN) - OT Dennis Roland (CIN) - OT Oniel Cousins (CLE) - OT Artis Hicks (CLE) - OT Guy Whimper (JAC) - OT Jared Gaither (KC) - OT Barry Richardson (KC) - OT Vernon Carey (MIA) - OT Kareem McKenzie (NYG) - OT Khalif Barnes (OAK) - OT Stephon Heyer (OAK) - OT King Dunlap (PHI) - OT Trai Essex (PIT) - OT Max Starks (PIT) - OT Breno Giacomini (SEA) - OT Adam Snyder (SF) - OT Adam Goldberg (STL) - OT James Lee (TB) - OT Mike Otto (TEN) - OT Keep in mind we're hardly the only team interested in OTs.
Hunter absolutely has to go. He was horrendous throughout the entire season. Moore is better than you give him credit for.
Brandon Moore is going to be small to play in the kind of power blocking scheme Sparano is talking about. You look for 330 lb RG's in that kind of system.
Thank you... the voice of reason. My whole point wasn't how they played last season but how they fit in a new scheme (assuming a new scheme will be implemented).
You don't seem to understand just how bad he was. I haven't seen a Jets O-lineman play that bad since Adrian Clarke, and before that, probably never.
Hunter was so bad last year that he made Slauson look average. The Jets line had one of the best centers in football , a good left tackle and a good veteran right guard and they still couldn't run the ball reliably or pass protect well. They did nothing right last year. If Mangold had been injured for the season instead of two games this team finishes 4-12 at best.
